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Offline francis drake

Re: Abraham and Jesus
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 09:53:19 PM »

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     It won't make sense if you do not want to understand.
I certainly want to understand scripture Collin, and the Lord promises wisdom to those who ask, which is why that's my constant prayer.
In contrast, rather than understanding, your theology just reveals confusion. Maybe its your presentation and grammar, but whatever the reason, your posts gives little light to any of the scriptures you present.
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When Joseph had the dream and the sun and the stars bowed down to him Jacob said to him , is it right that your brothers bow down to you and me and your mother. So there he is saying he is likened unto as the son his mother as the moon and the brothers as the stars.
And just how does presenting an unconnected scripture help your argument?
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You don't want to learn. You are comfortable with what you have and Jesus said a few parables about that.
It seems to me that it is you who don't want to learn Collin. You just jump around all over the place without addressing what others point out. Your only response seems to be that we don't want to learn from you, hardly a reasonable defence.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Abraham and Jesus
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2018, 12:46:44 AM »

Hi @Collin  and welcome to this forum...

I see where you are coming from and the base of your postings are in..

Hosea 1:10  Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' they will be called 'children of the living God.'


Isaiah 48:19 Your descendants would have been like the sand, your children like its numberless grains; their name would never be blotted out nor destroyed from before me."


Both are relatring back to Abraham and the words spoken to him .. as in Genesis 22:17



Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Abraham and Jesus
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2018, 12:48:58 AM »


I agree with your original post -as it is based on scripture


Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Abraham and Jesus
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2018, 12:57:27 AM »


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the sons of Jacob were as the stars

this is where you go   wrong... see : Romans 11:17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,



The gentiles are now gafted into the Vine and are also as the sand and the stars

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Offline francis drake

Re: Abraham and Jesus
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 11:37:41 AM »

The gentiles are now gafted into the Vine and are also as the sand and the stars

A simple statement of fact Tes. :thumbs_up:

As Paul said to the Galatians!
Gal3v6So also, ?Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.? 7Know then that those of faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, having foreseen that God justifies the Gentiles by faith, foretold the gospel to Abraham: ?All the nations will be blessed in you.? 9So then, those of faith are blessed along with the believing Abraham.

Thus along with the Galatian Gentiles, as sons of Abraham we are now counted as part of.-
a) the sand on the sea shore and
b) stars without number and
c) wild olive branches grafted in.
Plus many more metaphors.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Abraham and Jesus
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 11:50:29 PM »
A simple statement of fact Tes. :thumbs_up:

As Paul said to the Galatians!
Gal3v6So also, ?Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.? 7Know then that those of faith, these are sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, having foreseen that God justifies the Gentiles by faith, foretold the gospel to Abraham: ?All the nations will be blessed in you.? 9So then, those of faith are blessed along with the believing Abraham.

Thus along with the Galatian Gentiles, as sons of Abraham we are now counted as part of.-
a) the sand on the sea shore and
b) stars without number and
c) wild olive branches grafted in.
Plus many more metaphors.



Thanks FD..


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