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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Violation of our will
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2018, 01:13:01 AM »

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You answered as expected with = Do you imagine somehow that Lazarus wanted to die?


I not sure anyone wants to die...




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You make the mistake of confusing violation of our will by God, and the regular violation of our will by other people such as legal or illegal authorities.

 Their is a flaw here -=   that you have left out spiritual intervention..



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John was exiled to Patmos by the Roman authorities. What's so puzzling about that Tes?

Well because the enemy /satan / wanted to make johm lose faith as he was exiled [it must have seemed as if he was exiled from God ... " God why do you forsake me ?"  as in  Matthew 27:46

Put yourself in johns' position and not yours .



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I say again that John's will was not violated by God, which is what this thread is about!

Does anyone want to be sent as a prisoner to a hard worker camp and be dipped in burning oil ?



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For what, doing what they had asked him to do?

Yes you have hit it on the nail 


Except you have left our God...

The disciples of God suufferd because they did what God wanted... [amnd they were violated [as was Jesus]








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Please explain where anybody's freewill was violated!
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The answer is that these people were willing to do so - because they followed Jesus...

If they did not then they would not be willing....

God goes against free will - when it is against Him..

Now argue this fact...






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Offline davetaff

Re: Violation of our will
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2018, 12:38:44 PM »
Hi some interesting posts but nothing conclusive as far as I can see I have had a look at all the instances in the NT where our Lord says Follow me but even these are inconclusive the rich man would not sell all his goods and give them to the poor and follow Christ.
On the other hand Mathew who was in the middle of his daily work as a tax collector dropped everything and followed Christ.
The only difference I can see is is the rich man asked what he must do was this only to become a disciple not an apostle is it only apostles who are chosen as Mathew was.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: Violation of our will
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2018, 10:03:30 PM »


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Tes, the silly presentation of your posts are extremely irritating.
As a tech guy, can't you just do it normally like most people.
To be honest, I can't be bothered with your posts because they are so annoyingly presented, with acres of waste spaces, that I lose track of what you are trying to say.

Just saying
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Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Violation of our will
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 11:19:22 PM »
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Hi some interesting posts

Love and Peace
Dave

Thanks Dave  :D - encouraging as always [that's what I look for]




Offline francis drake

Re: Violation of our will
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2018, 07:30:54 PM »
If God so readily overrules a person's freewill, why didn't he overrule Adam and stop him eating of the Tree of Knowledge?
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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