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Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2018, 05:15:48 PM »

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Colin,
          I got this far into your reply and stopped.
"I'm not saying I do not sin but am saying I do not commit sin against God "

That statement is a lie.

All sin, with a tiny little fib to a toddler or mass murder and rape, or fare evasion and tax avoidance is a Sin against God.

     No your wrong John. Telling fibs, stealing chocolate bars or cars are all carnal sins against men and at best can be said as just that, carnal sins. Sins against God are all Spiritual sins and done because people know not what they do. That is exactly when grace was given. Our undeserved forgiveness and love from God is the Grace we live by but when we know better the period of grace is over for those knowing. Jesus gave us grace right there at the cross before he died and if not for that we would not even be here. If tyhat is as far as you read, too bad, you could learn something , believe it or not.

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Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2018, 05:35:29 PM »
  Here is a big surprise for you who consider yourselves believers and tell what you think is the fate of unbelievers.Do you guys even know what it means to be a Christian believer. You have to believe in the trinity and that is the father son and also the Holy Spirit. Yet it seams yee don't even know the teachings of the Spirit so how can yee be believers of the trinity knowing only the father and son. without the Spiritual understanding, the Spirit is dead and that says you you yourselves aren't believers but think you are. At least most know not the Spirit as far as I see yet or you would be teaching the word with the trinity. The old testament the word was only God with the father and the Spirit and Adam was that son created from those teachings. Jesus their was the Spirit and with out that Spirit who David called my Lord , his Lord was not.The new testament is the son but not understood and dead without the flesh and blood because only then were the words spirit. And Jesus said it, in this time the Spirit would be dead even to the elete if that were possible. From what I understand it was up until the beginning of this third day or millinium or 1000 years which is the third and last or seventh day.

Offline John

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2018, 06:15:18 PM »
Colin,
Jesus talked about basic sin causing being sent to hell as he did in the sermon on the mount:-
Matt 5:27 ?You have heard that it was said, ?You shall not commit adultery.? 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

He makes no distinction between saved and unsaved. There is a 'spiritual' princiupal here, the mere act is sinful, but so is the thought.

As 1John says. He who says he is without sin, lies and does not know Jesus as saviour and Lord.

It is that serious.

Please talk to your minister about your false believes.

Offline davetaff

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #27 on: June 02, 2018, 06:18:48 PM »
Hi Collin
Why must I believe in the trinity when no one in scripture teaches it and where in scripture does it say I must believe in the trinity to be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2018, 03:42:06 PM »
Colin,
Jesus talked about basic sin causing being sent to hell as he did in the sermon on the mount:-
Matt 5:27 ?You have heard that it was said, ?You shall not commit adultery.? 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

He makes no distinction between saved and unsaved. There is a 'spiritual' princiupal here, the mere act is sinful, but so is the thought.

As 1John says. He who says he is without sin, lies and does not know Jesus as saviour and Lord.

It is that serious.

Please talk to your minister about your false believes.

      The sin you see is the sin you are in. The scriptures are seen with two eyes, you see threw the eye of men , not the eye of God so throw that Sight away John and see it threw the Spirit. We have the hands of council, The council of the flesh and the council of the spirit Cut off the council of the flesh. Those are your hands.

   You say to see a minister. I have been ministered by the Lord in person and the Spirit. Do you say I should take advise from earthly teachers now? No John you should listen to what IO  have been taught by that Spirit.

Offline John

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2018, 09:02:13 AM »

Colin, Please read again 1John 1:8 if we say we are without sin. We decive ourselfs and the Truth is not in us.

You claim to be a teacher yet do not understand this verse.

Read the next verse 9, which tells us that God will forgive us.

You idea that Christians do not sin against God is not substansated by the NT. Paul and the apostle wrote to encourage believers to continue serving God, to avoid a sinful life, to cultivate the fruits of the spirit etc.
No where does it say that now one is a Chjristian there sins are not offencive to God.

As Paul wrote in Romans, the 'evil' I don't want to do I do and the 'good' I want to do I don't do.
It is not just Pauls problem, itis every Christians problem.

Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2018, 11:38:41 AM »
Colin, Please read again 1John 1:8 if we say we are without sin. We decive ourselfs and the Truth is not in us.

You claim to be a teacher yet do not understand this verse.

Read the next verse 9, which tells us that God will forgive us.

You idea that Christians do not sin against God is not substansated by the NT. Paul and the apostle wrote to encourage believers to continue serving God, to avoid a sinful life, to cultivate the fruits of the spirit etc.
No where does it say that now one is a Chjristian there sins are not offencive to God.

As Paul wrote in Romans, the 'evil' I don't want to do I do and the 'good' I want to do I don't do.
It is not just Pauls problem, itis every Christians problem.

   John, why do you let such a little thing trip you and hold you back. Read 1 John, the intire letter. He doesn't say, If you say, If I say. He is talking about all the scriptures and then if we confess we see the scriptures are with sin he is faithful to forgive us and teach us righteously. If we see and confess that we are created by the flesh in the scriptures he sees we are turning away from that and we are not forgiven untill we do that. If you say Lord. I am starting to see the Spirit of the word, we say we see the light and God in that light and untill we see that we do not know Jesus at all.No one goes to the son till we are sent by the father and they are one and the same. That's why we seek the kingdom and we seek God first.

  We say, we see Jesus walk on the water , we see the Spirit move over the waters. We say he calmed the storms , try say, Hay Lord I see how you calm the storms of discontent with us . Try, Lord I see this world is a see of disbelief and would you take my hand and pull me up out of that. Watch how your whole understanding comes alive and you start seeing Spiritual things. 

  1John is the perfect teaching for telling you exactly what i have been saying. Believe me John, I know I am not without sin but it is not me or you we are teaching about, It's the Lord and how to find him and get forgiveness. Its good to know what a true believer is and its good to know the truth and him who teaches that is the Holy Spirit and whom he has taught. I can show you things and tell you but it happens to you threw the Lord and his word.
   These Spiritual things are the truth and believing them is our faith and teaching them is Love. Everything else is flesh. The words Jesus speak are Spirit but you have to understand to hear.

Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2018, 11:44:27 AM »
Hi Collin
Why must I believe in the trinity when no one in scripture teaches it and where in scripture does it say I must believe in the trinity to be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave
If I told you you must believe in the trinity to be save it was out of context. We are saved by grace untill we know the truth and then we are saved as a believer. Obviously when we first ask to be saved and forgiven it is a work in progress the the period of grace will end and does end when you know truth and if you don't believe then you are lost.

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