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Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2018, 03:49:20 PM »

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Colin,
          "when we overcome this world we are no longer teachers of law or judges but with the Spirit where we are no longer under law. "
In this life we will not overcome the world. Our nature has been corupted by sin and our natural inclination or bias is to sin.

Out role here is not to teach about Gods law, but to introduce sinners to Jesus. s today sin is eating an extra cream cake, talking about the Holiness of God and about his 10 commandments can help people learn about their need of a saviour.  In doing this we are not judges. It was to counter this that Jesus taught by the measure we judge others so we will be judged.

As you say we are not required to live by the law, Christians have been saved from the consquences of the law and can turn to Jesus for repeated forgiveness when we fall into sin.

    John, what are you thinking. We can overcome this world, Jesus said it. He did it and we too can do it. I also have done it but it was threw him it was achieved. He said to his disciples that now he doesn't speak clearly but then you will hear me plain.
    When we read the word and bring it to perfection we overcome the physical or say, carnal. When the word is perfected we understand it perfectly and hear God speak, not the writers. God's word is invisible as is the Spirit and to read it we first have to use the word itself to teach us and as we get wisdom from the word we then get higher elevated understanding.
   Like this. In the beginning God said let there be light. Jesus was that light. Light is spiritual elevated understanding of the word. Knowledge of God is light. Void of it is darkness or blind. Light lets the blind see and opens the eyes of them who cannot see. The word of God is the seed, The churches are the trees in the garden eastward means towards God and the place where we plant the seed is the earth or earthly teaching and they are the garden God planted in Eden.
  If you have perfect understanding the word is spoken plainly to you and you hear what the Lord is saying.Same as the garden where Jesus was with his disciples when he said try not sleep , getsemany .This is the garden of Christian churches where the seeds of faith are planted and the trees are his disciples, now churches. The gates are the gates of learning where teachings are gathered and gated in and Jesus is the door and those inside are his sheep.
   Its plainly understood with the perfection of the word and the interpretation given is from God only and given only to whom he chooses and then to whom that one chooses.

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Offline John

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2018, 04:16:16 PM »
Colin,
          Are you saying that you do not sin?
Because that is what I understand you to be saying.

Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2018, 10:48:19 PM »
Colin,
          Are you saying that you do not sin?
Because that is what I understand you to be saying.

   It is said we are sinners saved by grace and for the world that is right but i am saying knowing God we do not sin. There is a difference in breaking the law and sinning. What the world calls sin is not sin but the sin is in not knowing.The world believes the ten commandments are about this world but they are not. They are about the rules of the lord given to his people and how they are to be to others in this world. Love the Lord thy God and thy neighbour and the rest are about how you suppose to treat people. When we teach without spiritual understanding given we steal, kill,covet, lie and all things of sin are committed. The word covers a person as a robe but taught wrong it steals the robes and leaves them naked ,hungry, imprisioned ,dead, blind and all sorts of offences against God is done unto them and then it is even said to be in the name of God. The offence is against God and sin. Breaking the law is different but to the people they believe the law breakers are the sinners. Thats wrong

Offline John

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2018, 03:27:58 PM »
Colin,
           you wrote:-
                             "i am saying knowing God we do not sin."
Sin is breaking God law as found in the 10commandments. Chjristians do not have freedom to worship other gods, blaspheme, etc etc any more than non christians.

To say Christiand do not sin, is to show that you do not undersand your own nature, what sin is and the grace of God in forgiving and his continued forgiving of our failures.

As 1John 1:8 says, if we say we are without sin. We decive ourselfs and the Truth is not in us.

You claim to be be a teacher Colin, yet don't know basic Christianity. Don't you know that those who teach are judged more stictly and Jesus gave dire warnings to those who lead his children astay.

May I suggest you talk with your minister.

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2018, 01:01:56 AM »
Consider Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Meditate on that scriipture and consider what it means..

Now bring it to your reality and experience...

Now ask the Word - and see how we even fall short of scripture...


I am still trying to live up to scripture [as Israel did] ... and failed... [ but to live like God ?] no..

The only reason Israel was chosen is because they fell short and make up a large part of the bible / scripture / .

We are not  perfect - but are being perfected  = as in Hebrews 10:14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.  [those being  sanctified] -




I sin because I live in my world and my nheart /life - God is above me .

You may be a person that raises people from the dead and have the gift of miracles and believe you are walking in the Will of God - but walking in the Will of God can be walking around on the streets and helping the homeless [being homeless yourself]

You can sin by not doing the will of God at this time .....

Anyway I will bow out befoire I make it too complex ... and confuse you







Offline Tes Johnson

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2018, 01:35:42 AM »
Now consider - Isaiah 55:9  "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.


And how you fall short of God's thoughts for you ....

Consider your thoughts at each second of the day and how they fall short of God's thoughts for you...;

So go back to your will and God's  Will ..

I end - before it get's complexitated...   :)

You are swerving and negotiating between the two - as you have God in you and but You are not God..

There is a place where a word [or the Word] and relationship meet....

You may say "scripture is all we need" - not true - as scripture meets with reality and reality becomes your experience [some may say experience may not be of God - but you will know when it is]

Anyway - I am confusing you now [but let me take you back to    Isaiah 55:9  "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.



So sin  [IN THE EYES OF GOD] may  not be what you  see as sin...

Consider - how you may have sinned today  - because you did not listen or hear or do what God said....

[Never mind your old closet skeletons  that you consider sinful]




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Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2018, 02:47:53 AM »
Colin,
           you wrote:-
                             "i am saying knowing God we do not sin."
Sin is breaking God law as found in the 10commandments. Chjristians do not have freedom to worship other gods, blaspheme, etc etc any more than non christians.

To say Christiand do not sin, is to show that you do not undersand your own nature, what sin is and the grace of God in forgiving and his continued forgiving of our failures.

As 1John 1:8 says, if we say we are without sin. We decive ourselfs and the Truth is not in us.

You claim to be be a teacher Colin, yet don't know basic Christianity. Don't you know that those who teach are judged more stictly and Jesus gave dire warnings to those who lead his children astay.

May I suggest you talk with your minister.

      I'm not saying I do not sin but am saying I do not commit sin against God after knowing the sin we commit not understanding what we are doing. If we teach in the earthly way we are committing all sort of sins against God. Does a man commit adultry thinking he is teaching the Spirit yet it is flesh. He may say he does not steal yet he steals the cloth of a mans back and leaves him naked before God.He lies thinking he knows the truth of the scriptures yet like the devil his words are like venum poisoning with every word spoken when he gives his opinion of what things mean.We put on wisdom as a robe yet he wares a robe not having the wisdom of the angels or spirit. He may say God clothed his son with the skins of animals after he sines with Eve yet it is the beastly understanding the they wore not refering to physical cloth at all.
     If you make it to the cross and lay your sin there at the feet of Jesus do you still hold fast to those sins. Off course not. I know I am a sinner but those sins i left and breaking the law I do not consider sin. When Paul and John wrote they were not speaking to say we cannot overcome but to those still working on it and we never become as perfect as God or Jesus but to go higher all the time is being more Holy . Is that not what we seek to be. What is more pleasing to God then trying to be like him and getting there is so much excitement and Joy.
   Do people think put those people to the sword means hit them with a sword physically and is the pleasing to God or put them to his word which is his sword given to us to use against our enemies. What is the sin against God who gives no one permission to exacute judgement with violence and which way lets vengence be his. Understanding is the key to perfecting Gods word and trying to do that is pleasing to the Lord Jesus our savour and that is what he did when he wis here with us in the flesh two thousand years ago.

Offline John

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2018, 02:45:51 PM »
Colin,
          I got this far into your reply and stopped.
"I'm not saying I do not sin but am saying I do not commit sin against God "

That statement is a lie.

All sin, with a tiny little fib to a toddler or mass murder and rape, or fare evasion and tax avoidance is a Sin against God.


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