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Offline Collin

The perfection of the Word
« on: May 23, 2018, 10:04:54 AM »

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   God is perfect, So perfect it amazes me all the time. If any man accuses another of any sin or unlawful practice the sin he is accusing ,is the sin he himself is in. Always and woo to him if he sets judgement and exacutes that judgement with violence or cruelty. He is not from God and will himself have that same judgement set against him for he judges himself. When a man walketh with God there is no sin he can see hear or speak.
 
                                                     



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Offline John

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2018, 12:23:54 PM »
First Jesus taught us to judge wisely, the parable of having a tree trunk in one's eye is an example of how careful we need to be when making a judgement.
No where are we told not to make judgements.

Next while God is Holy we are not, we are saved sinners, we are still sinful and prone to sin.
God is fully aware of our nature.
God's grace is such that he willingly applies forgiveness to those sinners who are repentant.

Offline francis drake

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2018, 01:38:16 PM »
First Jesus taught us to judge wisely, the parable of having a tree trunk in one's eye is an example of how careful we need to be when making a judgement.
No where are we told not to make judgements.

Next while God is Holy we are not, we are saved sinners, we are still sinful and prone to sin.
God is fully aware of our nature.
God's grace is such that he willingly applies forgiveness to those sinners who are repentant.
I agree on all points. I am sick and tired of Christians harping on about "Thou shalt not judge". There's no wonder we are in this mess.
The country has no standard of judgement any more, no idea of right or wrong. Good is declared evil, and evil declared good, with even church leaders appointing sexual perverts into positions of power.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline francis drake

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2018, 01:48:59 PM »
   God is perfect, So perfect it amazes me all the time. If any man accuses another of any sin or unlawful practice the sin he is accusing ,is the sin he himself is in.                                               
By your theology Collin, Paul must be guilty of anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language
Col3v8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

Paul must also be a child of the devil and an enemy of righteousness.-
Acts13v10and said, ?O child of the devil and enemy of all righteousness! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the straight ways of the Lord?

I could go on and add dozens more accusations that the Apostles made against various miscreants, but I hope you get the gist, that your theology contradicts scripture.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2018, 03:23:11 PM »
Hi John
You Said

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First Jesus taught us to judge wisely, the parable of having a tree trunk in one's eye is an example of how careful we need to be when making a judgement.
No where are we told not to make judgements.       

We are told not to make judgements

Mat_7:1  Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Luk_6:37  Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
     


Then we have

Joh 7:22  Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.
Joh 7:23  If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?
Joh 7:24  Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
     


It seams if we do make judgements we need to make righteous judgements are we caperble of that do we know everything about every situation as God dose is it not better left to him.


Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2018, 03:59:48 PM »
 Dave,
             Read the whole passage that you are quoting and the meaning changes from do not judge to , as I posted to judge wisely.
As I said the Bible does not tell us not to judge but to be wise in our judgements.

If you are daft enough to believe that Christian should not judge other, how do you make a decision about any person or situation? Are you always guliable when dealing with people, if your not you are judging people, which some people think Christian's shouldn't do!

Offline francis drake

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2018, 04:43:15 PM »
Dave,
             Read the whole passage that you are quoting and the meaning changes from do not judge to , as I posted to judge wisely.
As I said the Bible does not tell us not to judge but to be wise in our judgements.

If you are daft enough to believe that Christian should not judge other, how do you make a decision about any person or situation? Are you always guliable when dealing with people, if your not you are judging people, which some people think Christian's shouldn't do!
Again, I agree on all points John.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Collin

Re: The perfection of the Word
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2018, 06:49:17 AM »
By your theology Collin, Paul must be guilty of anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language
Col3v8But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.

Paul must also be a child of the devil and an enemy of righteousness.-
Acts13v10and said, ?O child of the devil and enemy of all righteousness! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the straight ways of the Lord?

I could go on and add dozens more accusations that the Apostles made against various miscreants, but I hope you get the gist, that your theology contradicts scripture.
    For Paul to be guilty of these thing he would first have to be judged and I say the judge of these things is himself guilty of these things. What I was trying to get across is that the law is one thing and sin is another and people judge by the law but are them selves  judges of the spirit and his judgement is the judgement used against himself.
    This is it in a nut shell. If a man judges someone of anything i can show you that there is no sin with the Lord and the one judging is in the sin he sees. You onlyh see the sin you are in.

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