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Offline Collin

The world has been so mislead
« on: May 19, 2018, 02:42:10 PM »

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   I try to show people all the time how there are two images when you read the bible and the image seen when first reading is a dead image. When you first read the news testament your looking at Jesus and people fall to the ground dead. You can see this written a few times in the book of revelations. And they think they found life. They get born of a dead Spirit and no it not.When you go to church and you listen and learn it is the fires that are preached. Just like the chaft being cast into the fires set from the very beginning. Only the elete and chosen get to hear the true voice of the Lord and those he chooses. Just as it was with the Jews way back then, it is the same with us people now. They could never see his as he really was or who he was. The world walks the broad walk, far away from the Lord in error.



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Re: The world has been so mislead
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2018, 04:01:29 PM »
How has the world been mislead Colin?
The world is not interested in learning about Jesus as a Saviour you rescues them from the penalty of their sins.

As for two images in the bible and an elite v chaff. You are moving into what the gnostics believed.
That there was a special elite who could understand sacred things and the rest who were too dense, unspiritual to comprehend.

Yes Christians are chosen, but that is not because they are in any way special.
They are sinners saved by grace. The emphersis is on two words sinners and grace.

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Re: The world has been so mislead
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2018, 10:57:08 AM »
How has the world been mislead Colin?
The world is not interested in learning about Jesus as a Saviour you rescues them from the penalty of their sins.

As for two images in the bible and an elite v chaff. You are moving into what the gnostics believed.
That there was a special elite who could understand sacred things and the rest who were too dense, unspiritual to comprehend.

Yes Christians are chosen, but that is not because they are in any way special.
They are sinners saved by grace. The emphersis is on two words sinners and grace.

      Gnostic is just another name for the nazarines.  They studdied wisdom and keep it with them and used it to discipher the meanings of the word. What was it that Jesus himself did if not explain the scriptures and what they were saying. I don't mind if you call me a gnostic and does it not say he was the light of the word and came unto his own but they could not comprehend the light.  He went to his own but the would not receive him, The same is happening now with him and all things that were then, are again.

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Re: The world has been so mislead
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2018, 01:22:45 PM »
      Gnostic is just another name for the nazarines.
 
Who are the "Nazarines"?

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They studdied wisdom and keep it with them and used it to discipher the meanings of the word.

It was the wisdom of the eastern mystery religions, not the wisdom of God.

 
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I don't mind if you call me a gnostic
You should do! They led believers astray.

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and does it not say he was the light of the word and came unto his own but they could not comprehend the light.  He went to his own but the would not receive him, The same is happening now with him and all things that were then, are again.
It shouldn't 'happen again' because we now have the Holy Spirit. If we are believers, then we do have the light - and anyone who says otherwise is a false teacher.
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Re: The world has been so mislead
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2018, 01:48:19 PM »
Hi Collin
You said.
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. Only the elete and chosen get to hear the true voice of the Lord and those he chooses       

If what you say is true why did our Lord preach to the poor and uneducated he did not have anything good to say about the priests and scribes and those who knew the scriptures it seems most of them got it wrong.
I think the same thing is happening now people are saying one must learn two or three ancients languages to understand what God has to say would the God who loves us make life that difficult for those he loves and he loves every one.
Most of scripture is simple stories of history it does not take a collage professor to understand it and yes there is a spiritual side to scripture but the only one who can interpret it is the spirit itself.

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Re: The world has been so mislead
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2018, 03:53:48 PM »
Hi Collin
You said.
If what you say is true why did our Lord preach to the poor and uneducated he did not have anything good to say about the priests and scribes and those who knew the scriptures it seems most of them got it wrong.
I think the same thing is happening now people are saying one must learn two or three ancients languages to understand what God has to say would the God who loves us make life that difficult for those he loves and he loves every one.
Most of scripture is simple stories of history it does not take a collage professor to understand it and yes there is a spiritual side to scripture but the only one who can interpret it is the spirit itself.

Love and Peace

     Didn't Jesus say. Thank you father that you have hidden these things from the wise and learned. He reveals these things to whom he chooses and then wasn't it Peter that knew who Jesus was and then Jesus said only the Father can show you these things. Jesus said those who thought they were so great were not holy enough to see God. When the disciples asked him what something meant he said , are you still so dull. Meaning without light.  Did he not say that at this time the Spirit would be dead to the world except to the elete and even they would be deceived if it were possible.
   So now you all want to say everybody knows everything and there are  no elete.  Ya sure.
Dave

Offline John

Re: The world has been so mislead
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2018, 07:02:41 AM »
There is a big difference between God electing who he will save and an offical in an organisation deciding who is worthy to recieve hidden knowledge.

You appear to be advocating the later.

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Re: The world has been so mislead
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2018, 08:15:09 AM »
There is a big difference between God electing who he will save and an offical in an organisation deciding who is worthy to recieve hidden knowledge.

You appear to be advocating the later.

   When Jesus asked the disciples who they thought he was , it was Peter who k new and the Jesus told him , you have been given understanding by the father in heaven and Jesus said to you I will give the keys to my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it and you can loose or bind whosoever ,on earth and in heaven. Do you not understand what that means?

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