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Re: God is a capitalist. Socialism is demonic.
« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2018, 02:34:05 PM »

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Israel wasn't your typical "tribal" society, it was expressly capitalist by design as can be seen if you compare the Law of Moses with the definition below.-
Dictionary definition of Capitalism
An economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth.

Each tribe and each family was given land in perpetuity from which to live and make profit, just as in the definition above.
Central government played no part in the operation of this.

As @John stated yesterday, the family land could never be sold but only rented out till the next Jubilee year. This ensured that the debts of a profligate family would never bring disaster on all future generations.
Which is why Israel isn't really an example of a 'capitalist' society. The Jubilee laws put a brake on profit - and the word 'profit' figures in most definitions of capitalism, even if not in your dictionary.

I agree that greed corrupts all political and economic ideologies.

Do you really think there's no good side to central government at all? Not even public health measures like sewerage systems?
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Re: God is a capitalist. Socialism is demonic.
« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2018, 09:01:02 PM »
Which is why Israel isn't really an example of a 'capitalist' society. The Jubilee laws put a brake on profit - and the word 'profit' figures in most definitions of capitalism, even if not in your dictionary.
Actually, ancient Israel is probably the best examples of a successful capitalist society, and having no breath of socialism in it.

But you speak as if profit is a dirty word Deborah? Without profit, there is no point in running a business, and if entrepreneurs didn't make profit, they wouldn't be able to employ other people and pay their wages.
Profit is vital for the good of a country as the Law of Moses makes plain. Provided they obeyed the Lord, He would guarantee the abundant profitability of all that they did.

And the Jubilee didn't put brakes on profit, it's no different to the thousands of profitable businesses paying factory or shop rents today.

As regards the Jubilee, the rent that tenants paid for land usage depended entirely on how many years to the next Jubilee, so pro rata the annual rental was constant. The Jubilee prevented the passing out of family ownership in perpetuity, depriving future generations. Lev25v14? ?If you sell land to any of your own people or buy land from them, do not take advantage of each other. 15You are to buy from your own people on the basis of the number of years since the Jubilee. And they are to sell to you on the basis of the number of years left for harvesting crops. 16When the years are many, you are to increase the price, and when the years are few, you are to decrease the price, because what is really being sold to you is the number of crops. 17Do not take advantage of each other, but fear your God. I am the Lord your God.
The ideal scenario in God's plan was that each family had fields to farm. That's what capitalism is.

How those fields were managed was anybody's guess and obviously some people were incompetent or lazy, so didn't work hard enough in the spring delivering little to eat at harvest.
The way out of that was to rent out the land to someone else for a fee (as set in Leviticus). He would then hire his own labour out for a daily wage. Again that's capitalism, only this time he receives rent and wages, but has less management responsibility.

The tenant of his lands has the chance of much greater profit, but he has to stump up capital in advance to pay for seed and to hire labourers to plough and plant etc.. He also carries all the risk should it be a bad season.
Again that's capitalism and that's how God designed the world.
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I agree that greed corrupts all political and economic ideologies.
Do you really think there's no good side to central government at all? Not even public health measures like sewerage systems?
Central government is necessary for certain things such as defence and road building and sewerage etc., but that has nothing to do with socialism. Such things were under way long before socialism appeared.
 
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Offline francis drake

Re: God is a capitalist. Socialism is demonic.
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2018, 09:30:21 PM »

Since the very beginning, Socialism has been constantly characterised by promises of the redistribution of wealth, which in simple terms means, "If you vote for me, I will tax that man with the big house and big car, and give his money to you!"

How does this balance with what God says?
 Ex20v10
?You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.?


Socialism, as a system, is sold to people on a basis of covetting and envy of other people's property.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: God is a capitalist. Socialism is demonic.
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2018, 10:37:05 PM »
Thanks.

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