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Offline Wolfetone

Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« on: May 03, 2018, 07:48:29 AM »
I'm having real difficulty in coming to terms with the different attitudes of God in the OT and NT.

I have a strong faith in God but cannot begin to see similarities between the grace of Jesus and the bloodthirsty brutality of Joshua.

Can anyone explain why God decided to destroy rather than win hearts as Jesus did?



Offline John

Re: Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2018, 02:52:31 PM »
Well the first thing to do is to read the old testiment because you are given the reasons why there.

I'll give you a clue, the spies at Jeherico in Rahabs house.
She told them that 'everybody knew that 'your God' had given this land to you and what 'your God' had done while they were treaveling to cannan.'

Think, they knew what God has done with those who has opposed the Israelites, that their land had been given to them.

What did they do?   Did they send messengers to the Israelites asking how we can be reconcilled to your God? Did they change their religous practises and start worshipping God?
Did they try and save their lives by running away?

God showed them mercy and grace for the 400 years Israel was in egypt and they dsid not seek God then or later.

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Re: Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2018, 02:53:59 PM »
I'm having real difficulty in coming to terms with the different attitudes of God in the OT and NT.

I have a strong faith in God but cannot begin to see similarities between the grace of Jesus and the bloodthirsty brutality of Joshua.

Can anyone explain why God decided to destroy rather than win hearts as Jesus did?

Hi Wolfetone
Welcome to the forum I think many of us struggle with this question sometimes seams like two different Gods but of course there are not there is only one God.
So why is there so much violence in the OT for myself I believe God is  teaching us a lesson through the history of Israel the lesson being violence and even the law he Gave through Moses do not work because people are quite willing to brake the law and believe they can dodge the consequences.
Jesus came to show us a better way the way of Love He boiled it down to three commands.

Mat 22:37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38  This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40  On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Mat 5:44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
   
 

Jesus did not do away with the law but gave us a better way to comply with the law through Love because love dose no harm to our fellow man.
Our Lord said that if you brake one of the least of the law you are guilty of braking the whole law the penalty being death But our Lord has paid the price by dying for our sins we are cleansed with his blood.
The law is like the tree of knowledge of good and evil and man has chosen to eat of the evil side its all about choice we have freewill to choose and this is very important for when we choose to Love the it must be a freewill choice from the heart so this is why evil is in the world so that we can choose the good.
 Law and retribution dose not work Love and forgiveness dose.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2018, 03:27:46 PM »
Hi wolvetone
May be this may help.

  Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever   

God's purpose was to create man in his image for this to happen we needed to have the knowledge of good and evil how were we to acquire this knowledge I believe it was through the law given to Moses if we obeyed the law it was good if we disobeyed it was bad or evil and man has chosen the evil side of the free of knowledge.
But now God has given us a better way through Love and forgiveness  we can be united with Christ as part of his body and as such man in God's image the completion of creation.
We will still have the knowledge of good and evil but will have chosen the way of Love.

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Re: Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2018, 02:30:35 PM »
This may sound like heresy but I have tended to read the Old Testament a little like history and a valuable source of how mankind evolved. I'd agree with Tolstoy that, other than this, everything is contained in the sermon in the mount. Well as far as knowing what we need to do, this seems to be the key. As Tolstay wrote


Quote from: Tolstoy,Leo
The essence of religion lies in the property of men prophetically to foresee and point out the path of life , over which humanity must travel , in a new definition of the meaning of life , from which also results a new , the whole future activity of humanity .

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Re: Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2018, 02:44:28 PM »
Welcome henacynflin,
                                 How else can one read a historical account except as historical fact.

As for evolution, both science and the bible provide no evidence that men have evolved.
People in genesis act in the same way as people in later OT books, in the NT books and as people today.

I caught a snatch of a programe that was rehashing the idea that neandertal man would pass unnoticed if dressed in a suit and put on the tube, they even made an actor up and tried it out. There was more excitement over the camera on the tube than the neandertal look alike.
Have we evolved, show the evidence please.

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Re: Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 03:10:25 PM »
Hi John, I meant "evolved" in the sense of changed and developed; not as being a part of "biological evolution". This is perhaps sloppy writing on my part. However, as one reads the Old Testament we can see mankind working out the rules of jurisprudence for example. Many of the chapters which list endless family lineages seem to have less value to me as material for personal instruction and guidance and, to me, are only of value as historical documents.

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Re: Cannot reconcile Old and New Testament
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2018, 10:10:07 AM »
Yes those long list of names are hard to make sence of.
That said God caused tem to be included so they have a value, even if we struggle to understand what it is.