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Offline francis drake

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2018, 07:23:29 PM »

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     I've been trying to say if you are seeking the kingdom of heaven , search the scriptures an there in the higher elevated understanding you will see heaven.
That's strange. Jesus said if we wanted to see the kingdom of Heaven, we should become like little children not theologians!

Luke18v15And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. 16But Jesus called for them, saying, ?Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17?Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.?

There were plenty of theologians such as the scribes, Pharisees, and teachers of the Law, all hanging around Jesus, but Jesus elevates a child above them and their theology!
Matt18v1In that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying, ?Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of the heavens??
2And having summoned a child, He set it in their midst, 3and said, ?Truly I say to you, if you are not converted and become as the little children, you shall never enter into the kingdom of the heavens. 4Therefore whoever will humble himself as this little child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of the heavens.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Offline davetaff

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2018, 02:06:40 PM »
That's strange. Jesus said if we wanted to see the kingdom of Heaven, we should become like little children not theologians!

Luke18v15And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. 16But Jesus called for them, saying, ?Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17?Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.?

There were plenty of theologians such as the scribes, Pharisees, and teachers of the Law, all hanging around Jesus, but Jesus elevates a child above them and their theology!
Matt18v1In that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying, ?Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of the heavens??
2And having summoned a child, He set it in their midst, 3and said, ?Truly I say to you, if you are not converted and become as the little children, you shall never enter into the kingdom of the heavens. 4Therefore whoever will humble himself as this little child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of the heavens.


Hi Frances
For once I agree with you  :thumbs_up: I have tried reading some of those theological books but understand very little so now I stick to the bible itself and work on the assumption that God wants me to understand it so why make it more complicated than necessary do I really need to learn Hebrew Aramaic and Greek to understand what he wants me to know.
WE have to become like children and God speaks to us as children we need to understand as his children I believe what God wants us to Know is in his word the Bible we don't need to dissect every word jot and tittle to understand it.

Love and Peace
Dave     

Offline Collin

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2018, 09:39:55 AM »
That's strange. Jesus said if we wanted to see the kingdom of Heaven, we should become like little children not theologians!

Luke18v15And they were bringing even their babies to Him so that He would touch them, but when the disciples saw it, they began rebuking them. 16But Jesus called for them, saying, ?Permit the children to come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17?Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all.?

There were plenty of theologians such as the scribes, Pharisees, and teachers of the Law, all hanging around Jesus, but Jesus elevates a child above them and their theology!
Matt18v1In that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying, ?Who then is the greatest in the kingdom of the heavens??
2And having summoned a child, He set it in their midst, 3and said, ?Truly I say to you, if you are not converted and become as the little children, you shall never enter into the kingdom of the heavens. 4Therefore whoever will humble himself as this little child, he is the greatest in the kingdom of the heavens.


     Well I'm sure you don't think I was as a little child and born again , humbled and most happy to learn and be with the Lord. But I was. Because I feed the Lords sheep as he told me too, Do I preach myself? You compare me to pharacies and teachers of the law but all I speak is about the Kingdom and the Holy Spirit. Did you ever think it might be you that needs to be converted and humbled and be as a little child and listen to what the Lord has given me to do.

Offline John

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2018, 07:11:04 AM »
Colin,
             you accuse Francis of needing to be humble, yet claim that you teach as Jesus told you.
What you teach is not supported by scripture. That Christians do not sin.

As I have asked you before please talk to your minister.

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2018, 01:15:49 AM »
     It was a puzzle for me where to look for the kingdom of heaven. What is heaven? Heaven is the place where we find the Lord and hear God's voice. Where we are in fellowship with God.The place of higher righteousness,above this earth or world. When the disciples went up the mountain with Jesus at the transfiguration, they heard God speak. They saw Jesus as he is pure and clean and white as snow. Righteousness itself is a mountain too or like one and we must strive to go higher and higher.The righteousness of a man is his mountain and Gods is the bible but likened unto as Zion. Moses had his and Jesus often said for us to come up higher.The scriptures are written in earthly teachings and the righteousness of the earth is law so it is as written a book of law. The elevated understanding of the bible is above the earth and higher. This is the spiritual understanding and that's it. The more you seek the higher you go.

Yes based on scripture...


Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2018, 01:17:18 AM »
   God's word is a sword so what is the higher teaching above put a man to the sword. kill him or make him study the bible.What does God want? In this world is a great sea of disbelievers, sea of inequity. What means more to us ,we take Jesus's hand and stay above that and not sink into iniquity and disbelief. The knowledge and understanding of God is a light for our feet and will open your eyes and take you out of darkness. make the blind to see the truth and things of God. Turning on a light bulb doesn't bring us closer to God. The bible is our Spiritual guide and what it teaches us is spiritual if you take the higher way.

Again you have based this on scripture and I cannot argue with you...


Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2018, 01:18:46 AM »
Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness... Relates to mankind's trying to do things through mankinds efforts?
Heaven? Where is it? It is definitely a place. I've been there. I was taken up in the spirit. My body was lying on the church floor. In Heaven, my body and mind functioned the same way as they do on earth in that I could walk, run etc. I could touch and feel.
Some in the past have said that the soul is mind, will and emotions, but I very much disagree with that as my soul was with my body. It had to be or the body would have died when I was taken up in the spirit. Heaven is up. That is all I know! When I was taken in the spirit, I was taken up. ↑
I guess it is similar but the other way when God has allowed people to see Hell. I've not seen it and never want to!
The kingdom of Heaven is different to Heaven. The kingdom of Heaven is describing all the believers who have put their faith in Jesus Christ. They have entered into the kingdom of Heaven while here on Earth as Jesus has given us "Tickets" to get there! (My words to describe it).
I dont quite get higher and higher as if there was a scale according to what one has done. This seems a little like faith by works? Maybe I'm missunderstanding a bit here.


Good reply...


Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Seek yee first the kingdom of heaven
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2018, 01:20:47 AM »
     I've been trying to say if you are seeking the kingdom of heaven , search the scriptures an there in the higher elevated understanding you will see heaven.

Yes I agree we are all at a learning stage and are all being drawn higher as the eagle...

Or to put it in basic language - "we are all being transformed and becoming more and more like Christ"

I cannot see an argument in that ...

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