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Offline wincam

The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« on: April 20, 2018, 10:02:43 PM »
Who what and where are they and are they still lost - so was Christ's mission a failure as also His reason for coming which He must have foreseen - wincam


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Offline John

Re: The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2018, 02:30:45 PM »
Romans 8:28-30,We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren. And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified he also glorified.

In God sight there are no lost sheep, he knows where they all are.

Offline wincam

Re: The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2018, 01:29:27 PM »

no doubt but that was not the question as at Matt 15:24 - wincam
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Offline John

Re: The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2018, 07:44:59 AM »
Then try asking what you want to know rather than criptic comments.

Jesus is the true Shepard who came to gather the 'lost sheep'. He had a mission to Israel, as salvation comes from the Jews, and it was only prior his ascention that he gave the command to 'go into All the World.'

Offline wincam

Re: The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2018, 10:51:32 AM »
re Jn 15:24 was Jesus' mission and reason for coming a failure which should have been foreseen - wincam
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Offline francis drake

Re: The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2018, 07:35:36 PM »
re Jn 15:24 was Jesus' mission and reason for coming a failure which should have been foreseen - wincam

The word of the Lord does not return void, but always achieves its purpose. The fact that man uses his freewill to rebel against God is irrelevant, new birth and salvation is always available to those who humble themselves.

As John pointed out in his earlier post from Romans 8, God foreknew who would receive him, and planned accordingly.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2018, 09:09:19 PM »
Twins. You should always read a verse in context. Read the next verse,  it say they have hated me without a reason.

Offline francis drake

Re: The Lost/sheep of Israel ?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2018, 10:42:56 PM »
Who what and where are they and are they still lost - so was Christ's mission a failure as also His reason for coming which He must have foreseen - wincam

The House of Israel (The northern kingdom excluding Judah and Benjamin) were taken into captivity and exile by the Assyrians about 150 years prior to Judah being taken by Nebuchadnezzar into Babylon.
Unlike Judah's return, there is no scriptural record of Israel returning from that captivity.

However there are various secular records that track them, and they were certainly around at the time of Christ, and several groups are listed attending the Feast of Pentecost.
The Jewish historian Josephus (37?100 CE) wrote that "the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude and not to be estimated in numbers".
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)