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Offline Collin

The trial of Abraham
« on: April 19, 2018, 04:03:20 AM »

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     When Jesus Spoke of his death on the cross, his disciples  didn't understand and wanted him not to die. Jesus said it was for this reason I have come. He told them it is that he leaves them and soon after the father would send the Spirit o be our helper. The Spirit of truth. When we see the word as it is written in the the natural way or the carnal, or the flesh as we see it. We see Jesus and he is with us. At the cross Jesus laid down the sinful nature. took it off and left it their at the cross.When we first receive Jesus God gives us his son and we are as a father to him. To be able to offer up Jesus who has now become our son, is the test of our love of God.Just when we do this and offer him up , willing to do it, God showes us it is the lamb, not our son and his son and then we see Jesus seperate from the son. We sacrafice the Lamb and the Spirit comes to us.This is what getting to the cross is about and the trial of Abraham became our test of faith with God.                                                                                                                                                                 
     I would not say things like that if I have not done it myself.



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Offline davetaff

Re: The trial of Abraham
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2018, 05:09:03 PM »
Hi Collin
Welcome to the site I'm not sure I understand what you are saying could you expand on it maybe simplify if a bit are you saying we should see things from a spiritual perspective.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: The trial of Abraham
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 05:20:03 PM »
Colin,
         you've said, "When we first receive Jesus God gives us his son and we are as a father to him. To be able to offer up Jesus who has now become our son, is the test of our love of God.Just when we do this and offer him up , willing to do it, God showes us it is the lamb, not our son and his son and then we see Jesus seperate from the son."

Please  can you qyote the chapter and verse where it says that Jesus becomes our son?

As far as I'm aware the bible only says that we become sons of God, co - heirs with Jesus, adopted into his family etc.

Offline Collin

Re: The trial of Abraham
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2018, 01:07:44 AM »
Colin,
         you've said, "When we first receive Jesus God gives us his son and we are as a father to him. To be able to offer up Jesus who has now become our son, is the test of our love of God.Just when we do this and offer him up , willing to do it, God showes us it is the lamb, not our son and his son and then we see Jesus seperate from the son."

Please  can you qyote the chapter and verse where it says that Jesus becomes our son?

As far as I'm aware the bible only says that we become sons of God, co - heirs with Jesus, adopted into his family etc.

    I don't have a concordance with me and not a lot of time avaiable to use the laptop, it isn,t mine and the last thing i expected was  for me to be doing this but here I am. Anyway I,m sure it says from Adam and seveal others where they say God has given us a son when a child was born.Also it was said by Jesus we are as his brothers and sisters and mother etc. Not sure if he said father there but God does give us his son and It seems right to me.

Offline John

Re: The trial of Abraham
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2018, 08:20:55 AM »
Yes Jesus,s birth is predicted and announced as our being given a son. That does not assume that we are the parents.
In Luke 8:21, says those who do my word are my brother's and sister's. Matt 12:48 says a similar thing.

Basically there isn't a case in the Bible for your idea.

Offline Collin

Re: The trial of Abraham
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2018, 02:28:12 PM »
Yes Jesus,s birth is predicted and announced as our being given a son. That does not assume that we are the parents.
In Luke 8:21, says those who do my word are my brother's and sister's. Matt 12:48 says a similar thing.

Basically there isn't a case in the Bible for your idea.
  Well, I can guarantee it is given to us to raise up the word from letter to life and is not the word of God the son of God. His name is the word and it was the word made flesh when we receive him. His own don't perceive him. The word is for allways.

Offline John

Re: The trial of Abraham
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2018, 02:35:19 PM »
OK Colin,
           as you say "I can guarantee it is given to us to raise up the word from letter to life"
give the evidence that this is what we have to do.

According to Jesus it is the Spirit of God that gives us mew life, not us. See John 3 14-20

Offline Collin

Re: The trial of Abraham
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2018, 12:03:47 AM »
OK Colin,
           as you say "I can guarantee it is given to us to raise up the word from letter to life"
give the evidence that this is what we have to do.

According to Jesus it is the Spirit of God that gives us mew life, not us. See John 3 14-20
    The word raised up is the Spirit, the truth the life and the light of God. Jesus even.

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