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better or worse ?
« on: April 12, 2018, 01:33:18 PM »
we are told that God created everything very good - so is freewill or no freewill very good - wincam


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Re: better or worse ?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 06:36:47 PM »
Hi wincam
Freewill is essential without it we cannot love anyone love has to be a freewill gift from the heart.

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Re: better or worse ?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 07:39:25 PM »
no, no - love is as big a bluff as freewill - this is easily proved for we cannot love someone or something we do not love and we do not even have freewill to breathe - wincam
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Re: better or worse ?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2018, 11:36:43 AM »
Hi Wincam
Are you saying that God is a big bluff.

.*[[1Jn 4:16/KJVLite]]* And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

       


How do you explain the above verse God is love and we abide in his love.
God cannot make or forces to love him if he did we would only be robots our love must come of our own free will otherwise it is not true love GOD IS LOVE.

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Re: better or worse ?
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2018, 12:05:56 PM »
God created everything and everything WAS very good, untill Adam rejected God's command and spoilled everything.

Since then we have been enemies of God, always rejecting him and his commands.

We are brought back into a relationship by God.

We do not willingly turn to or respond to God, he has to change us, so whether that is brute force, or by wooing us, it is God who is responcible.

We as God's enemies do not change our minds our hatred of him will not let us.

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Re: better or worse ?
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2018, 11:55:07 PM »
Hi Wincam
Are you saying that God is a big bluff.

.*[[1Jn 4:16/KJVLite]]* And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

       


How do you explain the above verse God is love and we abide in his love.
God cannot make or forces to love him if he did we would only be robots our love must come of our own free will otherwise it is not true love GOD IS LOVE.

Love and Peace
Dave


we must first try and understand what love is - not according to what we think it is or what others think or say it is but what God via the bible says it is - wincam
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