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Offline wincam

no hell ?
« on: April 12, 2018, 01:19:26 PM »
it has been stated that the Pope said 'there is no hell for Christians' - imho he is right for even the bible says so that from the beginning hell was created for the devil and his angels so there are no Christians in hell so hell does not exist for Christians who have been saved by the saviour of the world who has not failed to save imho - wincam


carpe diem/semper fidelis

Offline davetaff

Re: no hell ?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 06:27:01 PM »
Hi Wincam
I will have to disagree with you and the pope hell is for every one the word hell only means the grave the place of the dead were every one goes at death and waits for the resurrection.

Love and Peace
Dave


Offline wincam

Re: no hell ?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2018, 07:46:04 PM »
so you are wrong and not the Pope and I imho - hell according to the bible is the everlasting fire prepared from the beginning for the devil and his angels - wincam
carpe diem/semper fidelis

Offline Deborah

Re: no hell ?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2018, 09:53:35 PM »
so you are wrong and not the Pope and I imho - hell according to the bible is the everlasting fire prepared from the beginning for the devil and his angels - wincam

That depends on which translation you use. In the KJV (as in old English) hell can mean simply 'grave'. But that's not what most modern people understand by the term.
"Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." (II Corinthians 7:1)

Offline wincam

Re: no hell ?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2018, 10:42:08 PM »
That depends on which translation you use. In the KJV (as in old English) hell can mean simply 'grave'. But that's not what most modern people understand by the term.


not even according to my KJV - wincam
carpe diem/semper fidelis

Offline Mountain Goat

Re: no hell ?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2018, 11:52:54 PM »
If there is no Hell then there is no need for a Saviour!

Offline John

Re: no hell ?
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2018, 07:49:02 AM »
You need to re read what twinc has written!

to parapharase he has said:- 'only those I've invited will attend my party.'

This is correct for heaven and it follows that those not invited to the party will not enjoy the benefits of the party i.e. no fizzy drinks, cake or jelly.

To use the biblical language those not in heaven suffer the torment of knowing they have rejected heaven.

Offline davetaff

Re: no hell ?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2018, 04:17:42 PM »
Hi
It seams the word hell can have different meanings in the OT it means the place of the dead in the new mostly Gehenna which was a valley jest out side Jerusalem used as a rubbish dump and the burning of rubbish.
In revelations the word hell reverts back to meaning the grave the place of the dead where the dead sleep awaiting the resurrection.

Rev 20:13  And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.       
 

As we see from the first verse that death and hell deliver up there dead so those who are in hell are dead lifeless people do not go to a place of torment when thay die if thay are alive after death there can be no resurrection.
then we see death and hell are destroyed in the lake of fire ( what is the lake of fire )
all those not found in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire no mention of eternal torment.
eternal torment is reserved for the devil.

 there is very little in scripture that would prove the modern point of view the the word hell is a place of eternal torment for those who reject Gods message.
the nearest to it is in the NT when the word gehenna is translated hell which can mean a place of burning but burning can mean a form of cleansing.
interesting to note that Hell and death are destroyed before the judgement.   

Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
     


What is the second death in scripture only two deaths are mentioned the first is physical the second spiritual so all those who have died in baptism and are alive in Christ have already experienced the second death we cannot die again.
so when hell and death are destroyed in the lake of fire and who are judged unrighteous are cast into the lake of fire will they experience the same second death as the believer.

Love and Peace
Dave