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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #56 on: May 17, 2018, 03:22:53 PM »

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           You trust in Gods goodness, mercy, grace and justice, but you don't believe that God will be gracious to someone who does not know him, yet is searching for him.

Had Abraham any knowledge of God before he was called by God to leave Ur?
What knowledge of Jesus did any of the disciples have prior to meering him?

Two examples of God intervening in peoples lives that went against their religous belief.

Don't you think God can do something like that with those who are searching.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #57 on: May 18, 2018, 12:32:08 PM »
Dave
           You trust in Gods goodness, mercy, grace and justice, but you don't believe that God will be gracious to someone who does not know him, yet is searching for him.

Had Abraham any knowledge of God before he was called by God to leave Ur?
What knowledge of Jesus did any of the disciples have prior to meering him?

Two examples of God intervening in peoples lives that went against their religous belief.

Don't you think God can do something like that with those who are searching.

Hi John
Looks like you have  misunderstood my last post like I have said there are two distinct groups the called and the chosen the chosen are all the patriarchs and prophets and apostles a relatively small group of people the rest of us are called through there preaching.

Do a quick Google of how many God's man has worshiped over the years there have been thousands but there is no evidence that anyone has found the God of the bible.

Either they are chosen by God to do a specific job of they are called by those who are chosen.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #58 on: May 18, 2018, 08:23:19 PM »
Dave,
            We who are Christian are all called and chosen by God, some to do great things, most of us to plod along and serveas best we can.


How would anyone know if God saved someone in an isolated part of the world?

Many years ago we were visited by a missionary who worked in Nepal and he told how he got settled into the village he worked in.
A gurkha going to collect his pension was sold a book. He didn't understand it and asked every religous leader he met could they explain it. None could, so he kept it safe in a box, taking it out to read every so often.
Then these stranger arrived and asked if they could stay in the village. No one understood why they wanted to stay. He , now a village elder, was approached by these strangers. He didn't understand why they were there etc, but following his customer he produced his battered booklet and asked could they explain it to him.
They told him yes they could explain the copy of John' gospel as it ws why they were there.

God will lead those who search to find an answer, we don't know how God will do it and often the results will not be noticed by the world. What does google tell you about the Christian church in Nepals mountain vallies?

What does google tell you about how the ethiopian saved in acts went on to witness in ethiopia?

We don't know how God deals with seekers except that he has promised they will find him.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #59 on: May 19, 2018, 03:59:51 PM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply an interesting read you said.

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.  We who are Christian are all called and chosen by God, some to do great things, most of us to plod along and serveas best we can 

I'm afraid I have to disagree not all are chosen if that was the case there would be no point in seeking him or studying his word if only those who have been chosen could enter the kingdom.Love

As the scriptures show there are two separate groups the first are the chosen a good example are the apostles they were all working at there different jobs then a complete stranger comes along and says follow me they drop everything and obey why because they had no choice God needed them.
Through there preaching the other group is called this group has a choice either to accept or reject the offer of the gospel.

Yes God has chosen people over the last 2000 years but they are only a small group.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #60 on: May 19, 2018, 04:10:21 PM »
There are only two groups of people. The saved and the unsaved.

If the unsaved are slaves to sin that is slaves of the devil. How do they move from being the devils to Jesus's?

Does a slave have any say in who ransoms them?
Can a slave turn round to his owner and tell him that he no longer wants to be owned by him?

Salvation is all of God.  We only think that we have a say in it, like a toddler play fighting with Daddy and thinking they can beat Daddy or joining Daddy doing some work and thinking they are helping.
It is God's grace that allows us to think that.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2018, 03:43:48 PM »
There are only two groups of people. The saved and the unsaved.

If the unsaved are slaves to sin that is slaves of the devil. How do they move from being the devils to Jesus's?

Does a slave have any say in who ransoms them?
Can a slave turn round to his owner and tell him that he no longer wants to be owned by him?

Salvation is all of God.  We only think that we have a say in it, like a toddler play fighting with Daddy and thinking they can beat Daddy or joining Daddy doing some work and thinking they are helping.
It is God's grace that allows us to think that.

Hi John
Thanks for your reply you are right when you talk about the population of the earth as a whole but when we are talking about those who are saved then there are two separate groups those who are chosen and those who are called they may well have equal standing before God but they arrived where they are by different means.

Mat 22:14  For many are called, but few are chosen.
     



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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #62 on: May 22, 2018, 12:20:35 PM »
Dave,
 the pattern we are given to follow is that of Jesus, who being God did not despise the role of a slave, becoming a man.

As far as God is concerned there are only saved and unsaved. If the second person of the trinity could become nothing in order to save us.
Why do you think god will value us being of more importance than other Christians.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #63 on: May 23, 2018, 10:10:04 AM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply I still say there are those who are chosen and the scriptures support it.

.Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. View more

Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you     
    Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil 
     
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen 


We see from the above that the apostles were chosen they were called apostles not deciples.

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Dave

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