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Fate of unbelief
« on: April 12, 2018, 08:41:25 AM »

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"The children of the kingdom mentioned here is Israel they were cast into outer darkness when they rejected and crucified our lord Israel died.
The weeping and gnashing of teeth will happen when the recognise who Jesus is and accept him as there Messiah."

And what happens to ALL who do not recognise Jesus as their Lord and Saviour?

Are they going to be complelled to believe against their own will?



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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 02:52:13 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for my question of course God cannot force any one to Love him love is a freewill gift from the heart God has shown his love for us and how we respond to that love has to be of our own free will.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 05:47:52 PM »
That means then Dave, that those who will not accept God's offer of forgiveness etc will suffer the punishment that follows there rejection of him.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2018, 02:11:16 PM »
That means then Dave, that those who will not accept God's offer of forgiveness etc will suffer the punishment that follows there rejection of him.

Hi John
Thanks for your reply sorry I've taken so long to answer  but this time of year the garden takes up a lot of time.

What is the punishment I don't believe it will be eternal torment that's not in keeping with a God of Love I believe every one will have an opportunity To know God and Jesus Christ and to accept or reject as they will.
what will happen to those who reject Gods offer of salvation through Christ I think the answer is found in Genesis those who disobey Gods will surely die I believe this death will be permanent not like the death we experience now which is jest sleep awaiting the resurrection.
So what's on offer is eternal life or eternal death.

Love and Peace
Dave     

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2018, 09:29:08 AM »
Hi John
Thanks for your reply sorry I've taken so long to answer  but this time of year the garden takes up a lot of time.

What is the punishment I don't believe it will be eternal torment that's not in keeping with a God of Love I believe every one will have an opportunity To know God and Jesus Christ and to accept or reject as they will.
what will happen to those who reject Gods offer of salvation through Christ I think the answer is found in Genesis those who disobey Gods will surely die I believe this death will be permanent not like the death we experience now which is jest sleep awaiting the resurrection.
So what's on offer is eternal life or eternal death.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Everyone already has every opertunity to respond to the evidence all around them that there is a God.

Romans says that we are without any excuse for not having faith in him.

What punishment could be worse than seeing God in all his splendour, majesty, holiness and wonder.
They then realise that this God is the source of all that is good and theat they are being excluded from not just his precence but fropm all that is good.

Dave imagine being ina row with someone you reallylove and your are saying every hatefull thing, pouring all your scorn and dislike on this person and they are doing the same to you. That is hell, that is why Jesus said there will be weeping and gnahing of teeth.
There is no love, peace, joy, kindness, gentleness, beatuty nothing that is good will be found in hell only there abscence.

Yes they will be in torment, a torment far worse than a lake of fire, because they will be tormenting themselves.


Remember Dave, that God does not have to save us, he would be perfectly just if he did nothing. It is an act of unimaginable grace andlove for God to intervene in our lives and save us.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2018, 02:41:28 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply let's look at what Romans says.

.  is written, The just shall live by faith.

 18  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

 19  Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. note

 20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excused: note

 21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened 


V 18 talks of men who hold the truth this says to me he is speaking about men that know the truth have heard the gospel.

V 19-20 here Paul uses the proof of creation to prove his point they those who have heard the gospel have on excuse creation proves there is a god.

V 21 here Paul is speaking to those who knew God who had been told about him and rejected him.

You mention hell and the lake of fire hell is the grave where we sleep awaiting the resurrection the lake of fire are all those who are part of the first resurrection all those who have been baptised with the holy Spirit and with fire they become the lake of fire and rule with Christ 1000 years ruling with a rod of iron there may well be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2018, 10:19:20 AM »
Dave,
          Those verses can be read to mean that creation shouts that there is a God, just as one of the psalms say, the heavens declare the glory of God, day after day they pour forth praise.


Do a survey of the worlds people, nations, tribal and language groups, is there any that do not believe in God?
No one has an excuse for not searching for God.

God owes no one anything he is perfectly just in how he treats ALL of creation.

As for hell/lake of fire, call it what you like, as I wrote those who have not surrendered to God will be excluded from his prescence and from ALL the benefits of his grace.
Hell the lake of fire second death etc etc are discriptions of the awefullness of an eternity with out any knowledge or prescence of God.

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Re: Fate of unbelief
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2018, 11:48:01 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply you said
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.  Those verses can be read to mean that creation shouts that there is a God, just as one of the psalms say, the heavens declare the glory of God, day after day they pour forth praise   

It is verse 20 that speaks of the glory of creation the other verses make it plain that Paul it writing to people who have been instructed in the scriptures they have on excuse because creation proves that God exists.

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Do a survey of the worlds people, nations, tribal and language groups, is there any that do not believe in God?
No one has an excuse for not searching for God       

Yes you are right but the God's the conjure up is not the God of the bible they usually have different God's for all sorts of things but the God of the bible they do not know unless some one tells them.

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.  God owes no one anything he is perfectly just in how he treats ALL of creation   

Not to sure about this one John you may be right but I was thinking being that God placed the free of knowledge in Eden and there by allowed evil into the world do you think he would feel obligated to remove that evil although it was man who was responsible when he disobeyed God but God placed the free there.

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.  As for hell/lake of fire, call it what you like, as I wrote those who have not surrendered to God will be excluded from his prescence and from ALL the benefits of his grace.
Hell the lake of fire second death etc etc are discriptions of the awefullness of an eternity with out any knowledge or prescence of God 

Are you saying that every one will have eternal life.

Love and Peace
Dave

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