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Offline John

New world to come !
« on: April 12, 2018, 08:38:48 AM »

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"But God has shown us a better way LOVE when every one loves one another we wont need all these laws this is the new world to come."

Does this mean in this world when Jesus comes and rules for a thousand years or does it mean in the new heaven and new earth when the only people living there are Christians and All non Christians are in hell?



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Offline davetaff

Re: New world to come !
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2018, 03:47:29 PM »
"But God has shown us a better way LOVE when every one loves one another we wont need all these laws this is the new world to come."

Does this mean in this world when Jesus comes and rules for a thousand years or does it mean in the new heaven and new earth when the only people living there are Christians and All non Christians are in hell?

This will be in the new world after Christs millennial reign and there will be no hell because it will have been destroyed.

Rev 20:14  And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15  And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.     


The question remaining is what is the lake of fire I do not believe it is a literal fire the thought of the God of love barbequing people alive is a horrific thought for me.

Act 2:2  And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3  And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
     


As we see here they were baptised with fire and I believe this applies to all those who are in the book of life so I believe the lake of fire is the sea of believers and there purpose in the millenium is to destroy the devils work and satan will look on and not be able to do anything about it this is his torment.

Of to find my tin hat

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: New world to come !
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2018, 05:45:42 PM »
"This will be in the new world after Christs millennial reign and there will be no hell because it will have been destroyed"

Presumable with all those who have not accepted Jesus as saviour.

Do remember Dave, that no one deserves heaven, hell is what we deserve and it is only because of Gods grace, mercy and love that we have a hope of heaven.

Offline davetaff

Re: New world to come !
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2018, 06:43:18 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your post my question is what is hell  as far as I'm concerned it just means the grave nothing more.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: New world to come !
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2018, 07:14:20 PM »
Dave,
         
Matt 8:12
Matt 13:41-42
Matt 25:41 + 46
Jude 7
Rev 14:9-11
All speak of a place of punishment, whether there is a literal fire or it is the fire of regret I don't know. The bible speaks of punishment for those who have rejected Jesus.

Offline davetaff

Re: New world to come !
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2018, 04:24:50 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply the question remains what do these things mean if God is Love should we look at it from a different perspective

and hate thine enemy.
Mat 5:44  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Mat 5:45  That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Mat 5:47  And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Mat 5:48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.       



We have all read the above my question here is dose God abide by his own commands if so how can there be a hell as preached be men I say again that Hell only means the grave except when its the word Gehenna that's translated as hell.

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Dave

Offline John

Re: New world to come !
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2018, 04:53:22 PM »
Dave,
       God does not have to save anyone. We all deserve his judgement.
God shows love in not judging us and allowing us to live in his creation. As Romans 2:4 say do we presume upon the riches of his kindness and mercy, don't we realise that his kindness is meant to lead us to salvation.

You have things the wrong way round, looking at it from our view point.
Look at it from the point of an infinite Holy God. Our little sins are an infinite offence to an infinite Holy God and our hatred of him is worse.

From this view God is showing emence love and grace in letting us live.

You cannot have it both ways Dave. Either we are responcible for responding to God and responcible for the consquence of not responding.
                                                         OR
God over rides our will and saves those he has chosen before creation, leaving those he hasn't chosen to an eturnity with out God.
Either way you still have the consquence of not being a Christian.

Offline Collin

Re: New world to come !
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2018, 04:51:24 AM »
"But God has shown us a better way LOVE when every one loves one another we wont need all these laws this is the new world to come."

Does this mean in this world when Jesus comes and rules for a thousand years or does it mean in the new heaven and new earth when the only people living there are Christians and All non Christians are in hell?
        Love, Jesus is God's love for us. The giving of truth, giving light and teaching each other the way is loving one another and the receiving of these and believing is the faith of a Christian.Literally this world is without end. When all things hidden are revealed, when all secrets are shouted from the highest mountain people have new understanding and change creating a new world from the world as we know it.
      This what we do here on this forum is loving one another.Jesus said to Peter if you love me then teach my sheep.As his sheep are taught truth , Jesus grows and his body becomes stronger and he is able to do and create and change this world .

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