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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2018, 11:40:38 PM »

A miracle can happen to an athiest - as you say miracle is a miracle..

Many come close to death and experience "out of body activity"

Miracles happen .. imo..

This is about the source of the miracle...

Can God act in a catholics life - of cause He can - as with the athiest.....

Does the miracle cause you turn to Jesus ..... [ that is the question]

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Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2018, 08:34:27 PM »
A miracle can happen to an athiest - as you say miracle is a miracle..

Many come close to death and experience "out of body activity"

Miracles happen .. imo..

This is about the source of the miracle...

Can God act in a catholics life - of cause He can - as with the athiest.....

Does the miracle cause you turn to Jesus ..... [ that is the question]

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not if you are hard hearted then or now - see Mark 6:52 - wincam
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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2018, 11:44:43 PM »
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not if you are hard hearted then or now - see Mark 6:52 - wincam

haha I understand that more than you know...

But no - miracles still happen...

Even if you are hard hearted towards God...  because God does not think like we do...

His thoughts are above ours...

Hence even the pagan see's miracles..


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Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2018, 01:36:33 AM »

not if you are hard hearted then or now - see Mark 6:52 - wincam


haha I understand that more than you know...

But no - miracles still happen...

Even if you are hard hearted towards God...  because God does not think like we do...

His thoughts are above ours...

Hence even the pagan see's miracles

but hard hearted Christians do not in spite of claiming inspiration/guidance etc - twinc
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Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2018, 12:14:57 AM »
Depends what you call a miracle...

Most humans - see miracles - with the birth of a Child or healing through the saviour called the NHS..

Some visit "death" and re enter life ....

All this is available  to anyone....



Offline francis drake

Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2018, 10:29:34 AM »

it seems you missed it so I say again a miracle is a miracle - twinc
Oxford online dictionary.
Miracle
An extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.


So yes a miracle is a miracle, but the divine source can be demonic as well as God. The miracle signs that Pharaoh's magicians performed proves that.
However, there are usually sufficient clues to help discern the source of those miracles. With the song of Bernadette, it becomes clear when we read the lyrics that any so called miracles had their roots in Satan not God.

There was a child named Bernadette I heard the story long ago
She saw the queen of heaven once And kept the vision in her soul
No one believed what she had seen No one believed what she heard
But there were sorrows to be here And mercy, mercy in this world


The Queen of Heaven is a pagan fertility goddess. In Jeremiah, the Lord utterly condemns the Jews for bowing down and worshipping her. She is one of the main reasons that Judah was carried away captive into Babylon for 70 years.
Jeremiah7v18The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. 19Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? 20Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.

The "Queen of Heaven" has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus or Mary as any honest historian or archaeologist will tell you. There are mother and child pagan images throughout the world from thousands of years before Christ. When the pagan emperor Constantine incorporated Christianity into his pantheon of Gods, the goddess Queen of Heaven was added along with all the other Roman and Greek gods of the time.

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A statue of Isis nursing her son, housed in the Louvre
Queen of Heaven was a title given to a number of ancient sky goddesses worshipped throughout the ancient Mediterranean and Near East during ancient times. Goddesses known to have been referred to by the title include Inanna, Anat, Isis, Astarte, Hera, and possibly Asherah (by the prophet Jeremiah). In Greco-Roman times Hera, and her Roman aspect Juno bore this title. Forms and content of worship varied. In modern times, the title "Queen of Heaven" is still used by contemporary pagans to refer to the Great Goddess, while Catholics, Orthodox, and some Anglican Christians now apply the ancient title to Mary, the mother of Jesus.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2018, 05:27:45 PM »
Oxford online dictionary.
Miracle
An extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.


So yes a miracle is a miracle, but the divine source can be demonic as well as God. The miracle signs that Pharaoh's magicians performed proves that.
However, there are usually sufficient clues to help discern the source of those miracles. With the song of Bernadette, it becomes clear when we read the lyrics that any so called miracles had their roots in Satan not God.

There was a child named Bernadette I heard the story long ago
She saw the queen of heaven once And kept the vision in her soul
No one believed what she had seen No one believed what she heard
But there were sorrows to be here And mercy, mercy in this world


The Queen of Heaven is a pagan fertility goddess. In Jeremiah, the Lord utterly condemns the Jews for bowing down and worshipping her. She is one of the main reasons that Judah was carried away captive into Babylon for 70 years.
Jeremiah7v18The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger. 19Do they provoke me to anger? saith the LORD: do they not provoke themselves to the confusion of their own faces? 20Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.

The "Queen of Heaven" has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus or Mary as any honest historian or archaeologist will tell you. There are mother and child pagan images throughout the world from thousands of years before Christ. When the pagan emperor Constantine incorporated Christianity into his pantheon of Gods, the goddess Queen of Heaven was added along with all the other Roman and Greek gods of the time.


outdated mouldy repetitious trash = update via google [Hail Holy Queen of Heaven] by Scott Hahn - twinc
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Offline francis drake

Re: Christians and Miracles/Mark 6:52
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2018, 06:19:19 PM »

outdated mouldy repetitious trash = update via google [Hail Holy Queen of Heaven] by Scott Hahn - twinc

I have no interest in reading books about the queen of heaven when scripture calls her an abomination.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)