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Offline francis drake

Re: War and Peace
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2018, 10:52:20 PM »

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The law states thou shalt not kill I don't see a get out clause, Our Lord said love thy neighbour in so doing we fulfil the law we cannot kill our neighbour and keep the law.

The word use in "Thou shalt not kill" refers to murder, not killing in battle or judicial execution.
So sorry Dave, but that commandment has no application in war.

God commanded the Israelites to enter the land of Canaan and kill all the inhabitants of the land?
How on earth do you imagine God would give them "Do not kill" commandment that contradicted what he had just commended.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2018, 04:25:11 PM »
Hi Frances
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. The word use in "Thou shalt not kill" refers to murder, not killing in battle or judicial execution.
So sorry Dave, but that commandment has no application in war       

Where in scripture do you find theses get out clauses if God gives an order then we obey God.
But if man gives an order we obey God.
We are ordered to go out and kill the unbeliever with baptism and in so doing give them eternal life.

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Offline John

Re: War and Peace
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2018, 06:37:04 PM »
Dave,
         read https://www.gotquestions.org/you-shall-not-murder.html
for an explanation of the hebrew words used and there meaning in contects.
https://www.gotquestions.org/you-shall-not-murder.html

Offline francis drake

Re: War and Peace
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2018, 08:45:07 PM »
Dave,
         read https://www.gotquestions.org/you-shall-not-murder.html
for an explanation of the hebrew words used and there meaning in contects.

Good article John.
@Dave, I recommend you read it. It'll answer your question.

FD
https://www.gotquestions.org/you-shall-not-murder.html
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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2018, 11:53:43 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for the article interesting as it was I am not overly convinced when we start changing words in scripture to suit our theology I get a little sceptical.
The question is dose God approve of us killing one another even in war the indiscriminate bombing of women and children and civilians would the God of love approve.
War has changed over the last 100 years or so with modern inventions planes rockets weapons of Mass distruction its not jest a question of soldiers killing soldiers its about whole communities of civilians being wiped out.

One would think that mankind would have learnt his lesson by know that war is futile .

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Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: War and Peace
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2018, 09:54:04 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for the article interesting as it was I am not overly convinced when we start changing words in scripture to suit our theology I get a little sceptical.
The question is dose God approve of us killing one another even in war the indiscriminate bombing of women and children and civilians would the God of love approve.
War has changed over the last 100 years or so with modern inventions planes rockets weapons of Mass distruction its not jest a question of soldiers killing soldiers its about whole communities of civilians being wiped out.

One would think that mankind would have learnt his lesson by know that war is futile .
Really Dave, war is futile? You'd better go counsel God then, because he disagrees with you.

Here we read God commanding the Israelites to kill all their enemies without mercy.
Deut7v1When the LORD your God shall bring you into the land to which you go to possess it, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you;
2And when the LORD your God shall deliver them over to you; you shall strike them, and utterly destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:


And here we read the Israelites carrying out God's will at Jericho.
Joshua6v20So the people shouted, and priests blew the trumpets; and when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight ahead, and they took the city. 21They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

Still think you are right Dave. Don't you read these parts of the Bible?
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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2018, 11:38:17 AM »
Hi Frances
Thanks for your reply and yes I have read the OT several times and yes God did command the Israelites on several occasions to kill there enemies.
The trouble is that we are under an entirely different dispensation Israel was the physical mans way if you like it was Gods lesson in what dose not work.
But now we have a different dispensation a spiritual one yes we are told to go out and kill but this time with the sword of truth the word of God this is our weapon of war and when the unbeliever accepts our Lord he dies and is reborn to eternal life.
Yes we are commanded to kill but in the spiritual sense not the physical.
Or are you saying its better to blow the unbelievers head of and that's what God wants.

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Dave

Offline John

Re: War and Peace
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 11:52:20 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for the article interesting as it was I am not overly convinced when we start changing words in scripture to suit our theology I get a little sceptical.
The question is dose God approve of us killing one another even in war the indiscriminate bombing of women and children and civilians would the God of love approve.
War has changed over the last 100 years or so with modern inventions planes rockets weapons of Mass distruction its not jest a question of soldiers killing soldiers its about whole communities of civilians being wiped out.

One would think that mankind would have learnt his lesson by know that war is futile .

Love and Peace

Dave

So you are accusing God of using different words now are you Dave. It is not me or the bible translators who are changing the words, they are recording what god has said.

As you know there is a difference between you or I killing someone and the state killing someone.
If the uk was openly seeking to practice Christianity and follow God's law then you would have a point, but this state is not Christian and has a god given mandate to protect it's citizens from threats of violence. That includes being allowed to use lethal force.

Are you aware that the only countries seeking to use weapons of mass destruction are isis and other terrorist groups.

the west with all its many faults is far better at protecting people and there rights than communist and islamic states.
I've been posting about religious freedom in the uk. Have you sign the petition?

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