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War and Peace
« on: March 17, 2018, 02:27:36 PM »

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I have been wondering with all this on the news of late with world leaders measuring themselves by themselves there hands twitching over there little red buttons where should we stand as Christians behind our head of government or behind Christ.

Its ok for those up the top they press the button then disappear down there prepared bunker its always the rank and file who have to go out and kill each other and in many cases it can mean Christian V Christian.

we buy a red poppy every year in memory of those that died should it be in memory of all those that died friend and foe alike.

Where should we stand as Christians I am speaking of Christians around the world should we stand up as one body and say enough is enough we will not kill each other any more I'm sure many others would join us


Exo 20:13  Thou shalt not kill.

 Mat 5:21  Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22  But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
   
 

Killing is against the law of love how can we love our neighbour then go out and blow his head of is tit time to say no.

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Dave



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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 09:47:47 PM »
We are told to obey our earthly rulers. We are fortunate in that we can express our opinions to our leader and seek to influence them.

Poppies are to remember all those who died in the world wars as well as more recent conflicts.

Please remember that it takes two to make peace but only one to declare war.
Just how much freedom do people have in Syria to protest they want peace and do you think there leader will listen?

Our task is to evangelise, to preach Jesus and create peace through him.

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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2018, 11:26:18 AM »
We are told to obey our earthly rulers. We are fortunate in that we can express our opinions to our leader and seek to influence them.

Poppies are to remember all those who died in the world wars as well as more recent conflicts.

Please remember that it takes two to make peace but only one to declare war.
Just how much freedom do people have in Syria to protest they want peace and do you think there leader will listen?

Our task is to evangelise, to preach Jesus and create peace through him.

Hi John
Thanks for your reply yes comply with the laws of the land live peaceably with those around us that's fine.

But what do we do when the laws of the land we live in conflict with the laws of God whom shall we obey.

Should priests be blessing the troops going out to kill in direct opposition to Gods law or should they be telling them to lay down their arms.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2018, 01:31:53 PM »
Dave,
           What one does when a countries laws are contacting God,s laws is always up to each person.
If one thinks that defending the laws and rights of a country against an agreeable other country. Then one is not sinning.

As for priest blessing weapons and troops going to war. If it is a just cause then it is not wrong.

That really is the decided, is the cause just and right?

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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2018, 04:06:24 PM »
Dave,
           What one does when a countries laws are contacting God,s laws is always up to each person.
If one thinks that defending the laws and rights of a country against an agreeable other country. Then one is not sinning.

As for priest blessing weapons and troops going to war. If it is a just cause then it is not wrong.

That really is the decided, is the cause just and right?

Hi John
Thanks for your reply if one person stands up and says no I'm not going to fight he is classed as a coward but if all those Christians from around the world stand up and say no then we have a powerful voice that those who rule over us will need to listen to.

The law states thou shalt not kill I don't see a get out clause, Our Lord said love thy neighbour in so doing we fulfil the law we cannot kill our neighbour and keep the law.

Who decides if a cause is right ever since Cain killed Able mankind has been killing each other but very little has improved if anything things are getting worse by the day maybe it has to be that way to fulfil end time prophecies but at leased the Church of Christ can stand up and say no.

Love and Peace
Dave 

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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2018, 09:26:40 PM »
Dave,
        When the law was given the Israelites repeatedly went to war.  There is a difference between my hitting you over the head as the result of a quarrel and my using leathal force as a soldier obeying a legal order to fire on you.
In this country as in all democratic countries the objection of the consciousness objector is recognized and allowed. However in undemocratic countries those who will not fight are treated not as a coward but as a traitor.

All Christians standing up together against violence is a pipe dream, we can get Christians to stand together for Christianity.

Is not the defence of democracy a good thing? What political system would we have if we gave in to Isis or to Russia?

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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2018, 02:51:17 PM »
Dave,
        When the law was given the Israelites repeatedly went to war.  There is a difference between my hitting you over the head as the result of a quarrel and my using leathal force as a soldier obeying a legal order to fire on you.
In this country as in all democratic countries the objection of the consciousness objector is recognized and allowed. However in undemocratic countries those who will not fight are treated not as a coward but as a traitor.

All Christians standing up together against violence is a pipe dream, we can get Christians to stand together for Christianity.

Is not the defence of democracy a good thing? What political system would we have if we gave in to Isis or to Russia?

hi John
Thanks for your reply I dare say you may be right and anything I say is not going to change anything I'm sorry to say but I do love my pipe dream which of course is one body of believers under our King of Kings Jesus Christ so my pipe dream will happen my dream will become reality.

what we need to ask ourselves is who's orders shall we obey mans or Gods israel obeyed Gods orders when they entered the promised land I have wondered about this because God went before them did he clear the land for them so they only had to take possession of it.

Love and Peace
Dave   

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Re: War and Peace
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2018, 03:17:24 PM »
Dave,
           Follow your dream of peace and be active, but also be realistic, look at the build up to the second world war. Constant apeasement, of putting off investing in weapons meant that war became inevitable.

Maybe we are in the build up for another world war, for armagedon etc.


As for the OT and the conquest of cannan. The israelites had to fight, there were no walkovers, just as we have to struggle with temptation and put real effort into resisting so they had to put their lifes in real danger and fight.

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