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Who do you think is the ideal mother?

Your own mother
3 (100%)
Princess Diana
0 (0%)
The Virgin Mary
0 (0%)
Someone else
0 (0%)

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Who do you think is the ideal mother?
« on: March 13, 2018, 09:06:53 PM »

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To mark Mothering Sunday, the Church of England recently commissioned a poll to discover "Britain's ideal mother." Now this is actually quite a tricky question to answer. First of all, what are the qualities that make an ideal mother? And secondly, does anyone in the world measure up to them?

It?s perhaps not surprising that the 2000 people surveyed should have offered a very wide range of answers; Princess Diana, although the most popular choice, was named by only 5%. In second place was "my own mother". You can look at that in two ways. Good news, that "my own mother" was high in the rankings - or bad news, that less than 5% of the sample rated their own mother more highly than a celebrity or a fictional character?

One of the problems is that the vast majority of us have, in the nature of things, only ever had one mother. The mothering skills of other women can only be viewed from outside the family - with all the limitations of that viewpoint. Most 'mothering' happens in private, behind the scenes; we know all the weaknesses and remember all the failures of our own mothers, which makes it all too easy to put celebrity mothers on a pedestal and assume that they are better. At least for Princess Diana we have the testimony of her two sons that she was "the best mum in the world", which makes her a worthy occupant of the 'top spot'.

The competition from the world of fiction is even stiffer. Characters like Molly Weasley and Mrs March were, after all, specially crafted by their authors to be exceptionally good mothers. But they do, as a result, set an artificially high standard that I suspect few real women can consistently live up to.

What really does surprise me about the survey result is that third place was taken by Mother Theresa - a worthy and godly woman, certainly, but one who never had any children of her own. So why was she ranked so highly as a mother? Are we inclined to project good qualities onto people that we admire, when we have no other information to go on? The same could be said of the Virgin Mary (who came 8th in the poll). Although she did have several children, the Bible tells us virtually nothing of her mothering capabilities; we just assume that she "must have been" the ideal mother simply because she was chosen by God to be the mother of His Son. What, in fact, do we know? That she gave the young Jesus a ticking-off for getting lost in Jerusalem (Luke 2:41-48), and that when He was grown-up the relationship between them was, at best, a bit strained (John 2:3,4; Mark 3:21,32-35). This shows, at least, that she was a 'real' mother, not an artificial construct.

What does the Bible have to say about the ideal mother? The book of Proverbs has a chapter devoted to a good wife (who is also a mother). I read this at my own mother's funeral:
"She speaks with wisdom,
and faithful instruction is on her tongue.
She watches over the affairs of her household
and does not eat the bread of idleness.
Her children arise and call her blessed..."
(Proverbs 31:26-28)


"Christ died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for Him who died for them and was raised again." (II Corinthians 5:15)

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Offline John

Re: Who do you think is the ideal mother?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2018, 07:24:24 AM »
This debate misses the point about mothers.
Being a mother is not just a biological event, nor is merely the process of looking after a child.
The BBC had a week of 'celebrating mothers' those I saw were all working mothers. Most women will say that there Children are the most important thing in their lives, but think about that statement.

Children are the most important thing in their lives, yet divorce is often initiated by women, many children are being brought up in single parrent homes or are cared for by child-care etc.

Why this attack on women/mothers.

Simple if the above statement is true Mothers woulddo all they could to ensure their children had the best possible upbringing and this is the patten laid down by God.

One Man and One Woman, committed to each other for life to work together to raise a family.

That means no premarital sex, stats show multiple partners increae the marriage failure rate, no mother at out at work while the children are of school age, stats show under 3's do significantly worse emotional and intellectualy if farmed out to childcare, there is also evidence that even older children are affected by an absent Mum.
Divorce has long been shown to damage for life children caught in it and again the stats show that single parent children do less well then children with two parrents, also boys with no father figure are again statisticaly more likely to be in trouble with the law etc.

If Children are important to Mothers/women it follows that they will prepare for being a mother/wife.

This is the argument that is avoided as being incorrect in the mothers day celebration.

Offline francis drake

Re: Who do you think is the ideal mother?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2018, 10:02:12 PM »
This debate misses the point about mothers.
Being a mother is not just a biological event, nor is merely the process of looking after a child.
The BBC had a week of 'celebrating mothers' those I saw were all working mothers. Most women will say that there Children are the most important thing in their lives, but think about that statement.

Children are the most important thing in their lives, yet divorce is often initiated by women, many children are being brought up in single parrent homes or are cared for by child-care etc.

Why this attack on women/mothers.

Simple if the above statement is true Mothers woulddo all they could to ensure their children had the best possible upbringing and this is the patten laid down by God.

One Man and One Woman, committed to each other for life to work together to raise a family.

That means no premarital sex, stats show multiple partners increae the marriage failure rate, no mother at out at work while the children are of school age, stats show under 3's do significantly worse emotional and intellectualy if farmed out to childcare, there is also evidence that even older children are affected by an absent Mum.
Divorce has long been shown to damage for life children caught in it and again the stats show that single parent children do less well then children with two parrents, also boys with no father figure are again statisticaly more likely to be in trouble with the law etc.

If Children are important to Mothers/women it follows that they will prepare for being a mother/wife.

This is the argument that is avoided as being incorrect in the mothers day celebration.
Amen John.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline John

Re: Who do you think is the ideal mother?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2018, 03:29:34 PM »
Senility has set in, all we are doing is agree with each other.


That or we've run out of endless geniologies to argue ove.

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