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Offline Indonesia

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 10:15:49 AM »

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@davetaff ,,,I'm going to give you two different scenarios to show that the Bible doesn't contradict in both the scriptures you gave in loving your neighbours and the scriptures where God protects the countries.

This is all in connection with your happy home and you wanting to help others.

Scene A love your neighbours and do good to other s.
 you and your wife invite some people in because they are destitute. You make it clear that you are Christians and you are willing to help but want back respect.
The people give that to you. You have meals together and they say they can see God in you . They get stronger but they do not cross that line and have every respect for you,your wife, your home, culture and faith and do not try to change that. Some even get converted to Christ through the Holy Spirit moving.
That's where those scriptures apply and you mention forgiveness. There could be not so positive situations. They could lie, steal from you but at least they don't try to turn your home from a Christian home to a satanic home.

Scene B is about God's  protection and how that is biblical. Do not throw your pearls to the swine for they can trample you underfoot.
You and your wife invite some people in because they are destitute . All is well to start with. They get stronger but then start saying they want to build a bonfire in your back garden. You are reluctant but agree. Then it esculates from there. Next thing it's devil worship, burning your Bible and books. At meal times someone leans across the table and starts eating your dinner. Leading to another time when you are eating a meal with your wife and he is under the table and puts a fork in your potatoes and then sits on your lap .Then flirts with your wife. To steal her away. Then takes you to court because  your Christianity is an offence. Then steals your home and you are left destitute. ( And it does happen like that ).
Of course as a Christian you forgive no matter how bad it is but isn't it wise to prevent that in the first place. God would protect first and foremost if it meant that Christianity was going to be replaced by evil.
It all depends on the circumstances. You simply cannot apply scriptures that do not fit a different circumstance. They are both right but fit different situations.

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Offline Indonesia

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2019, 04:32:12 PM »
It was mentioned that tightening the borders would cost more money.

What about the illegal drugs and black market costing the UK for immoral behaviour. It can only be a good thing to tighten security. Look at the children taking drugs at schools and it costs the country money for mental health and physical health problems as a result.
Not to mention the morality degenerating to such a huge extent. It breaks my heart to see this.
I moan about the tightened security in some countries when travelling but that is better than allowing evil things to slip through.

Offline davetaff

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2019, 03:00:50 PM »
@davetaff ,,,I'm going to give you two different scenarios to show that the Bible doesn't contradict in both the scriptures you gave in loving your neighbours and the scriptures where God protects the countries.

This is all in connection with your happy home and you wanting to help others.

Scene A love your neighbours and do good to other s.
 you and your wife invite some people in because they are destitute. You make it clear that you are Christians and you are willing to help but want back respect.
The people give that to you. You have meals together and they say they can see God in you . They get stronger but they do not cross that line and have every respect for you,your wife, your home, culture and faith and do not try to change that. Some even get converted to Christ through the Holy Spirit moving.
That's where those scriptures apply and you mention forgiveness. There could be not so positive situations. They could lie, steal from you but at least they don't try to turn your home from a Christian home to a satanic home.

Scene B is about God's  protection and how that is biblical. Do not throw your pearls to the swine for they can trample you underfoot.
You and your wife invite some people in because they are destitute . All is well to start with. They get stronger but then start saying they want to build a bonfire in your back garden. You are reluctant but agree. Then it esculates from there. Next thing it's devil worship, burning your Bible and books. At meal times someone leans across the table and starts eating your dinner. Leading to another time when you are eating a meal with your wife and he is under the table and puts a fork in your potatoes and then sits on your lap .Then flirts with your wife. To steal her away. Then takes you to court because  your Christianity is an offence. Then steals your home and you are left destitute. ( And it does happen like that ).
Of course as a Christian you forgive no matter how bad it is but isn't it wise to prevent that in the first place. God would protect first and foremost if it meant that Christianity was going to be replaced by evil.
It all depends on the circumstances. You simply cannot apply scriptures that do not fit a different circumstance. They are both right but fit different situations.

Hi Indonesia

Thanks for the question not easy to anser I could write all sorts of replies but until something happens like you describe above its very hard to say what I or any one else would do what we are commanded to do is love our brothers and sisters in Christ and to love our enemies and the best answer I can give is follow these commands.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Carpenters Son.

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2019, 10:29:28 PM »
Do we expect the antichrist to be a carismatic world leader? (I am not saying it is or isn't Mr Trump and I rather like the mans frankness and the way he listens to common sense when some plans implimented don't work, which is quite something as some leaders of countries will close their ears to their people).
Things in the world can change very fast. At the moment the USA has military bases right round the world in most countries. Will this stay the same or will a new world power emerge?

Offline Indonesia

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2019, 04:06:54 AM »
@davetaff maybe you feel misunderstood and know what I mean when I say I feel misunderstood. I can't seem to get my points across.
I tried to give you a scene for you to imagine the situation, especially as the world is today.
We don't live in a world full of nice people but people who trample down and togetherness is not such a good idea, when its not through the Spirit of Christ.
Nowadays a lot of evil has got into politics and into the world too and so preventing people from integrating ( through military protection )probably prevents and slows up the new world order.
Only people are integrating via the internet. On the positive side it brings better communication, the gospel, and people together through the Spirit of Christ. On the negative side it is very rapidly building up a togetherness in a  rebellion to God.
It was mentioned about helping people. I'm more for  those going overseas with resources and money to improve their life and livelihood and in the name and Spirit of Christ.
I do think the government in the UK has created problems with housing and there hasn't been enough to help the homeless and disadvantaged. Homes are not affordable, unlike in the past. This has put a strain on family life and created homelessness.The homeless have said that there are churches available to sleep in, when the weather hits a certain temperature and the government won't allow churches or buildings to be open to them overnight, unless its particularly cold. Only they are still outside in very cold weathers. Thats terrible. People are suspicious if some are genuine. Well some are. I like to buy food for them rather then give money. That way you have a way of knowing. We can always ask them what they would like to eat, bring sleeping bags, blankets, inform of where help is available. It is and many churches are helping but the government doesn't seem to support this further. We need to pray for this problem and to be resolved in the Spirit of Christ.

Offline francis drake

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2019, 10:43:39 PM »

I do think the government in the UK has created problems with housing and there hasn't been enough to help the homeless and disadvantaged.
For every immigrant family you house, that's one less UK family housed. You can't have it both ways.
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Homes are not affordable, unlike in the past.
Supply and demand. If there is a shortage of houses, or anything else, the demand rockets and so does the price.
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This has put a strain on family life and created homelessness.
If mass immigration was curbed and people sent back home, the housing crisis would largely cease.
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The homeless have said that there are churches available to sleep in, when the weather hits a certain temperature and the government won't allow churches or buildings to be open to them overnight, unless its particularly cold.
Opening a church or not is nothing to do with gov't policy.
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Only they are still outside in very cold weathers. Thats terrible. People are suspicious if some are genuine. Well some are. I like to buy food for them rather then give money. That way you have a way of knowing. We can always ask them what they would like to eat, bring sleeping bags, blankets, inform of where help is available. It is and many churches are helping but the government doesn't seem to support this further. We need to pray for this problem and to be resolved in the Spirit of Christ.
A whole load of them could get jobs if they weren't so lazy.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Indonesia

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2019, 06:42:05 AM »
Often homeless people are beaten down with various problems and they can't get a job if they have no address.
Not so easy for them to get a job. Nothing to do with lazyness. They are disadvantaged, rejected, weary and maybe physically and mentally unwell as well. How would one know unless they walked in their shoes.
It would be a process for them to a job and perhaps they would need help with that, in a non judgemental way.

Offline TaraH

Re: Donald Trump, God's man for this time.
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2019, 03:59:31 PM »
Do we expect the antichrist to be a carismatic world leader? (I am not saying it is or isn't Mr Trump and I rather like the mans frankness and the way he listens to common sense when some plans implimented don't work, which is quite something as some leaders of countries will close their ears to their people).
Things in the world can change very fast. At the moment the USA has military bases right round the world in most countries. Will this stay the same or will a new world power emerge?

I have to say, frankness is not something i associate with Donald Trump.  He seems to have a problem with truth.  I can?t believe Christians are so gullible and desperate,  he needs to go asap, while the US has at least a tiny bit of credibility left.

Tara

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