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Offline HalfFullGuy

What a Year
« on: March 05, 2018, 10:41:58 PM »

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Hi Guys,

I think Im back.

Loads to talk about.

Im looking at finding a new Church. Im disillusioned with much of what goes on at our Church. We find nothing wrong with spending tens of thousands of pounds on new furniture, but when it comes to help in the community, we basically don't do it.

We have this notion that no one in our area could possibly need any help, because we're such an affluent area, but I know people, who do need help. We overlook these people and focus on our chosen groups, our young, our old, even our community Muslims who we seem to elevate above anyone else.

We hold regular interfaith events and iftaars, but when it comes to helping our neighbour, we don't seem to do it. I know, because I've been one of them. I've come out of hospital following an operation and had no visit from anyone. In Church meetings, we have jokes about assassinating Donald Trump, and when it comes to me trying to raise issues about how we get our message across, my email is ignored.

I see a Church that quite frankly, doesn't seem to care, and never wants to take action.

I want to find a Church that helps the community, that tries to take action, that does thing. It shouldn't matter what religion, race or sex our neighbour is, we should help them. We should mission to them. I want to be part of a church that does this. I want to give to a church that does this. I don't want to give to a church that steps over its neighbour to get to a specific demographic. I don't want to give to a church that thinks nothing about jokes about assassinating people, but is shocked to the core that you might use a mobile phone in the middle of a service to comfort someone who is upset and get told that you shouldn't come to Church if you're upset. I don't want to give to a Church who refers to Mohammed as being a prophet with a portion of the light.

This isn't Christianity to me. I feel like I want to take my money and find my own causes, roam the streets and give to people sleeping rough, helping charity, give to people who are having problems.



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Re: What a Year
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2018, 11:42:10 AM »
Hi HFG
Interesting post but is it jest the local church that's at fault is it not the fault of government's those who rule over us and dictator's.
Has not God provided enough for every one if we can put men on the moon we should be able to provide clean water to that little child dying of thirst in the third world.

It was announced not long ago that the UK had acquired a brand new aircraft Carrier that cost 8 billion pounds and that's without the running costs but the government don't have money for the NHS or to build houses for the homeless.

Why aren't there enough homes because its unprofitable if there is a shortage it pushes the prices up

Its a global problem its all about money there are vast sums to be made in Armament's there's far more profit in killing people than feeding and housing then there very little love in the world for our fellow man.
The words of St Paul ring out loud and clear

.1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows       

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: What a Year
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2018, 02:56:53 PM »
"Im looking at finding a new Church. Im disillusioned with much of what goes on at our Church. We find nothing wrong with spending tens of thousands of pounds on new furniture, but when it comes to help in the community, we basically don't do it."

I am sorry that your church is failing in basic standards of care.

May I suggest that you carefully look around your area for charities helping the homeless, for foodbanks, debt/relation/addiction advice surgeries and see which churches are involved.

Then check out the church web sites and attend a service.

The shipoffools web site has a mystery worshipper page have a look and either sign up or use the format to help assess a church you visit. Do let the minister have a copy as this feedback helps them get a different view of their church.

Lastly before leaving your church do meet and talk to the minister, raising your issues. Do take a written list of issues so you can check them all off.
As well as talking about there lack of support do let the minister know about all the charitable oppertunities you found.
It could be ignorance on his part and ensure the church leaflet rack has been stocked with leaflets from these charities.

Offline HalfFullGuy

Re: What a Year
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2018, 07:25:28 PM »
Thanks John. Some good suggestions. I have tried discussing with my vicar and raised the points in an email. He followed up with a meeting where he basically glossed over everything and ignored the majority. He focussed on one issue and suggested praying. He didn't actually address anything. Complete and total let down.


Offline Mountain Goat

Re: What a Year
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2018, 02:10:10 AM »
The church is us. It is not a building or a denomination. We are not to say "Come to church". We are to say " Church go out into the lost world and preach the gospel...The good news off Jesus Christ!"
Church meetings are just boot camps and as you know, if soldiers stay in the safe protection of a boot camp all their lives they will never slay one single enemy!
We are at war. Our battle is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers. These principalities and powers have enslaved mankind into the snares of sin. It is our job to share the good news! The good news of salvation through Christ alone.
Yes, we can talk to Muslims. They need Jesus Christ like the rest of us do! But we are not to slip into the snares of religion.
We can make a difference in helping others if that is what we are called to do.
We can make a difference in preaching to the lost, if that's what we are called to do. Wherever the Lord sends us we go!

The issue with your church of people is the leader is leading to a preset set of instructions and there is not enough flexibility. Sometimes, vicars and other church leaders break the mould and lead the church into the paths they are supposed to be.

Dont blame anyone as they have not seen what has been revealed to you. They are blinded. You see. Encourage them to leap out in faith!  Step out yourself and tell them how God has been working in your communities! Watch as others see the results and want to continue the work with you!
You may find new converts to Jesus Christ to be your church! There is no other sharper tool to evangelise then a new convert to Jesus Christ!  They were lost and now they've been found, and the whole world around them knows it!

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: What a Year
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2018, 12:10:54 AM »
Hi and welcome back @HalfFullGuy   loopy:


Some Churches are setup for this very thing - a local one begins with the letter K...


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