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Online davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #88 on: November 13, 2018, 12:41:36 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply you said

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. Again I repeat that we cope what Jesus did when he was crucified.
Do you think Jesus hated the unrepentant murders of him       

       

What do you think was in the heart of Jesus when he asked the father to forgive the I think he loved them and offered them his forgiveness via the father.
As I said in my previous post the Father forgives as we forgive those who trespass/sin against us if Christ was not willing to forgive them neither would the father.

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If we are copying Jesus, what sort of attitude do you think we should have     

Meek and mild and full of love for our fellow man.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #89 on: November 13, 2018, 05:13:01 PM »
Dave,
           Two things you got wrong.
1st without repentance there is no forgiveness. This is basic Christianity
We can love and pray all we want but God is not going to forgive someone who will not repent.
In the same way we do not have to forgive someone who will not say sorry for the offence, hurt or harm thay have caused us.

2nd Jesu was not meekl. Would a meek and mild man have been able to single handed clear the temple of a market? Confronted demons, demon possessed men, the authorities etc.

Online davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #90 on: November 13, 2018, 06:44:26 PM »
Dave,
           Two things you got wrong.
1st without repentance there is no forgiveness. This is basic Christianity
We can love and pray all we want but God is not going to forgive someone who will not repent.
In the same way we do not have to forgive someone who will not say sorry for the offence, hurt or harm thay have caused us.

2nd Jesu was not meekl. Would a meek and mild man have been able to single handed clear the temple of a market? Confronted Edemons, demon possessed men, the authorities etc.
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Hi John
Thank you for your reply but I have never said repentance is unnecessary on the contrary what I have been arguing for is how should we react to wrong done to us should we meet evil with evil or should we meet evil with love.

As for Christ being meek and mild.

.Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls         

From the lips of our Lord he did not use the word mild but I think lowly in heart is pretty close do a word search on the word meek the scriptures has a bit to say on the word
The meek shall inherit the earth.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2018, 12:08:01 AM »

The law was changed, due to the hanging of innocent people in the UK..

Proven guilty - but - later found innocent..


Offline John

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #92 on: November 15, 2018, 05:11:23 PM »
Dave,
           I had forgotten that verse and reacted to the common depiction of a 'gentle Jesus, meek and mild'.

I have never advocatted anything that implies we should return evil for evil.

How one responds to an offender who will not acknowledge or repent of the hurt/wrong they have done is upto each Christian.

I am just trying to do away with the nonchristian idea that we 'must forgive no matter what has happened'.

Online davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #93 on: November 19, 2018, 09:45:21 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply you said
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.How one responds to an offender who will not acknowledge or repent of the hurt/wrong they have done is upto each Christian         

If this is true how about this verse.

.Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you         

Should we ignore this verse.

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.  I am just trying to do away with the nonchristian idea that we 'must forgive no matter what has happened       


On what scripture do you base this idea in view of the above verse.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2018, 11:06:51 AM »
Dave,
           
             Loving ones 'enemies' has nothing to do with forgiving them.

Online davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2018, 12:53:05 PM »
Dave,
           
             Loving ones 'enemies' has nothing to do with forgiving them.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply tell me how can we love our enemies and at the same time hold evil thoughts about them.
We are commanded to pray for our enemies what shall we pray our Lord prayed Father forgive them for they no not what they do should we not follow his example.
We need to keep in mind if we don't forgive our enemies our father will not forgive us

Love and Peace
Dave