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Offline davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #104 on: December 12, 2018, 11:14:13 AM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply I don't think we are to far apart just that the first step must come from us as the following makes plain.

. 25  And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

 26  But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses   


Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Guardian

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #105 on: December 14, 2018, 10:27:35 AM »


Depends whether the Covenant is conditional or not [ nothing to do with us]...

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Offline davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #106 on: December 16, 2018, 11:39:54 AM »

Depends whether the Covenant is conditional or not [ nothing to do with us]...

Hi
Not sure I understand the above I thought all covenants were conditional they bind two parties together to keep the promises they have made.
Covenants are conditions as in a contract and binding on both parties braking a covenant has consequences.

Love and Peace
Dave


Offline John

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2018, 11:30:35 AM »
Dave,
     What does it say in modern english?

 Mark 11:25 (NIV)
25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.?

Note it say if you hold anything against someone, you are to do something about it.

In other words one is holding on to a grudge or nursing resentment, instead of trying to deal with it or if impossible handing over to God.

Offline davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #108 on: December 17, 2018, 01:15:11 PM »
Hi John
Thank you for your reply dose not matter which English we use the meaning is the same.

. Mark 11:25 (NIV)
25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.         


It says it you have anything against anyone to forgive them there are no get out clauses.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline John

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #109 on: December 18, 2018, 11:01:24 AM »
Dave,
             Doing something about a situation requires the other party also to do something.

It is why I raised the case of Suzi Lampugh, how does someone who does not know who has harmed them do something about that harm?
What do you do if a brother will not acknowledge they they have harmed you?

The principal found throughout the bible is that there has to be repentance.
God does not just forgive sinners, they have to repent.
It is the same principal.

Offline davetaff

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #110 on: December 18, 2018, 12:48:52 PM »
Vi John
Thank you for your reply you said.

Quote
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The principal found throughout the bible is that there has to be repentance.
God does not just forgive sinners, they have to repent.
It is the same principal   

I agree with this 100%I have never said anything different if we want to enter into the body of Christ we have to repent and seek forgiveness and this applies to all those who do us wrong.
What I am arguing for is how we should react to those who have done us wrong.
According to all the scriptures I have posted we are to hold out the hand of friend ship we are the love those who trespass against us if we don't the father will not forgive us.
Have I misunderstood the scriptures I have posted how do you understand them.
Are we not required to make peace.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline Guardian

Re: Forgiveness, unconditionally
« Reply #111 on: December 18, 2018, 10:16:19 PM »
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