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'Our Lord and our God!'
« on: January 26, 2018, 09:40:04 AM »
Hello there,

Reading Luke 22 & 23 this morning, my heart has been touched by so much that I have read.  Especially so, at the responses of our Lord Jesus Christ to the questions asked Him, 'Art Thou the Christ?' 'Art Thou then the Son of God?' 'Art Thou the King of the Jews?' For in answering by saying, 'Ye say that I am', and, 'Thou sayest it', to the last two questions particularly, it appears to our ears that He is not affirming them, but evading answering.  However this in not so, for these phrases are Hebraisms, which are in fact strong affirmations! 

In answer to the first, 'Art Thou the Christ?' He answers, 'If I tell you, ye will not believe ... ''.
He knew their hearts, but He did not swerve from His purpose.  He kept before Him the hope that was before Him and endured all that He had to endure to finish the work He had come to do.

'Hereafter shall the Son of Man sit
on the right hand of the power of God.'


* He stood before them as a man, in weakness, but the hope that lay before Him was one of great power.

Praise His Holy Name! Our Lord and our God!

In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

* Worship Him!



Offline Tes Johnson

Re: 'Our Lord and our God!'
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2018, 01:07:36 AM »
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He knew their hearts, but He did not swerve from His purpose.

Yes so hard when you know a person's heart but you have to stick to your purpose

Jesus could have spent his short  lifetime, tryng to persuade people to come to Him....but then that is what we might do when  relying on Jesus to bring them to faith - not sure if we should persuade people  while relying on Jesus to bring them to faith or whether we should simply stick to the purpose God has for us [in Jesus] I suppose this is what apologetics is - it is giving a defence of our faith [but not trying to persuade people] as that is for God to do "the working" and merely for us to work with God....[if we are not we are simply arguing our faith with others.

Of course Jesus did it by example/ not sure He did by persuasion or argument....


Instead Jesus used example - but also   used reason and evidence to present and convince,  challenging  unbelief, exposing errors, and defending His  purpose.

Of course his heart and defence was His downfall [as was meant] standing before the "political , religious  judges of that day - Jesus had no defence [as was intended] "being led like a Lamb to the slaughter as as the shearer is dumb"

I wonder if I could be led  in this way [ but then beleivers may suggest "this was for Jesus only and I am not asked to follow His journey"


All I have to do is to "believe" - but believe in what ?


Believe that Jesus died for me and then end the story or believe that Jesus is in me and is woeking through me to heal and to save - to mend and to build - to raise the dead and t o heal the sick - even though I may be sick myself.


In a strange kind of way I have the Uncreated One being created/forrmed  in me. day by day / but how can God create Himself when He was never created  ?  ...He does just that in His new creations....   CHILD GROWING  IN ME - VIDEO


2 Corinthians 5:17  Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

In a funny kind of way - my flesh is tellig me one thing and the child in me another - but as He grows stronger in me I know that what I believe will be born .

Yet while  I stay in a state or "born again" am am yet to be fully born ....

It remains for me  a paradox - yet He knows the endiing.

God continues to make a place for me John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.


I remain a work in progress - yet to Jesus I am already progressed.



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Re: 'Our Lord and our God!'
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2018, 11:35:53 AM »
Hi Tes,

Thank you for these additional thoughts, for they have prompted fresh thoughts to come to my mind in response to them.  Regarding the way the Lord Jesus ministered: for example, I have been reading through Luke's gospel, and in the account of the meeting on the road to Emmaus, on the day of His resurrection; the Lord, when speaking to the two believers, on their way from Jerusalem, after hearing of His empty tomb, brought the scriptures concerning Himself, written in the law, the prophets and the psalms, to their notice; in order to show them that what had happened at Jerusalem, with His death and resurrection, was foretold, and so was not something to be wondered at, or to be questioned, but embraced and rejoiced in, thereby strengthening faith, rather than weakening it by reasoning that is born of a lack of understanding.

Luke wrote to Theophilus, his friend, desiring that he should have the facts of Jesus' life and ministry, so that he would know the certainty of what he had heard, and have the assurance that understanding brings.(Luke 1:3,4).  This reminded me of Paul's same desire for the believers at Colosse, expressed in Colossians 2:2,

'For, I would that he knew
What great conflict I have for you,
and for them at Laodicea,
and for as many as have not
Seen my face in the flesh;
That their hearts might be comforted
being knit together in love,
and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding,
to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God,
and of the Father,
and of Christ,
In Whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.'

In the conversation of the Lord on the road to Emmaus, the letter of Paul, and of Luke's words to his friend, each were addressing believers, where human reasoning gives place to the words of God, and submits to His authority.

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: 'Our Lord and our God!'
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2018, 08:35:36 PM »
Yes so hard when you know a person's heart but you have to stick to your purpose

Jesus could have spent his short  lifetime, tryng to persuade people to come to Him....but then that is what we might do when  relying on Jesus to bring them to faith - not sure if we should persuade people  while relying on Jesus to bring them to faith or whether we should simply stick to the purpose God has for us [in Jesus] I suppose this is what apologetics is - it is giving a defence of our faith [but not trying to persuade people] as that is for God to do "the working" and merely for us to work with God....[if we are not we are simply arguing our faith with others.

Of course Jesus did it by example/ not sure He did by persuasion or argument....


Instead Jesus used example - but also   used reason and evidence to present and convince,  challenging  unbelief, exposing errors, and defending His  purpose.

Of course his heart and defence was His downfall [as was meant] standing before the "political , religious  judges of that day - Jesus had no defence [as was intended] "being led like a Lamb to the slaughter as as the shearer is dumb"

I wonder if I could be led  in this way [ but then beleivers may suggest "this was for Jesus only and I am not asked to follow His journey"


All I have to do is to "believe" - but believe in what ?


Believe that Jesus died for me and then end the story or believe that Jesus is in me and is woeking through me to heal and to save - to mend and to build - to raise the dead and t o heal the sick - even though I may be sick myself.


In a strange kind of way I have the Uncreated One being created/forrmed  in me. day by day / but how can God create Himself when He was never created  ?  ...He does just that in His new creations....   


2 Corinthians 5:17  Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!

In a funny kind of way - my flesh is tellig me one thing and the child in me another - but as He grows stronger in me I know that what I believe will be born .

Yet while  I stay in a state or "born again" am am yet to be fully born ....

It remains for me  a paradox - yet He knows the endiing.

God continues to make a place for me John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.


I remain a work in progress - yet to Jesus I am already progressed.

* A work in progress, Tes, and yet in our standing before God, in Christ, COMPLETE.

Praise God!

Offline Tes Johnson

Re: 'Our Lord and our God!'
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2018, 01:32:14 AM »
Awesome - whatever life throws at us and however we respond - God already knew how we would...

oooo  can't children be difficult at times...but they still have a Father and mother in God.

Beyond   our contemplation and comprehension - that God chose us - knowing our history - but not only that knowing our future/////  thoughts/ways/responses/attitudes/remarks/hearts....

He carries it through to completion  - re: Philippians 1:6  being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.


I must have been so hard for the Son to  agree with the Father, to be born into a fallen world is seen by some as the [eternal covenant].

This agreement is seen  at they end of Jesus' life and at the end of each Gosple message - where the Son is sent to save the world through His death [of flesh].

The prepicture is found in  Genesis 22:14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided".

In other words "it had already been agreed before time that God the Father would provide a sacrifice - being His own Son -  a Trinity agreement and covenant"

So now we read how Jesus is Judged and executed - being brought to justice - being innocent - but found guilty [in this we are guilty / but innocent]



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A work in progress, Tes, and yet in our standing before God, in Christ, COMPLETE.

Not only that but complete before "before the foundations of the world were laid"   :D



FUTURE DAYS OF THE HEART - VIDEO



I once came to the end of myself and thought "do you really like yourself - do you really want to go on  ?"

But it is more than that "it is about our future and how that affects us - so when I came to the end of myself - I thought and decided "Okay ....God took you on as you were in all your sin - so why is your future going to stop you ?"

Because future is where the enemy can inflitrate and confuse things and through all the confuson - all you have to know is that "God is the same in your future as He was in your past"  this is His Grace which is sufficient for us.

In other words "if I was safe in my eternal salvation" then why should my future cause me to fail - as you said
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A work in progress, Tes, and yet in our standing before God, in Christ, COMPLETE.

Already known of by Him /sealed /done.





https://www.youtube.com/embed/F77v41jbOYs