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Offline davetaff

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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #96 on: February 26, 2018, 03:34:02 PM »
Hi Frances
Thanks for your reply you said

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Although some aspects repeat, the history of Israel is widely different to the account of creation. Still doesn't show that Israel is Adam.     

Maybe not the creation account  is an overall view the history of Israel is the detail.

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There's nothing of significance to support your silly false doctrine that Israel is Adam     

One thing on its own prove nothing as you say but all things put together becomes a weight of evidence hard to be ignored

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This is utterly false. I proved clearly from the scripture that Adam and Eve separately were made in the image of God.   

You have proved nothing of the sort its when Adam and Eve are united in one that they are in Gods image

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One flesh" jjust refers to any and all union between a man and a woman. But again, it doesn't show that Israel is Adam.     

I take it you are refering to sex or marraige in which case anyone who remains single and a virgin can not be in Gods image.

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1Jn 4:13  Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
   

And this verse somehow proves that Israel is Adam????????????
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If we are in Christ and Christ in us and united by the Holy Spirit Then we are man in Gods image and thus fulfil the statement in Genesis

And just how does this prove Israel is Adam????????????
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Gen1v27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.   

Never forgetting he tells us the end from the beginning the beginning and end of all things is Christ Jesus our Lord.

And how does this prove Israel is Adam??????????????
     

You are right they dont prove Israel is Adam they were never meant to but what they do show in that man in the image of God is not two prehistoric indeviduals Yes God created man but man in Gods image is something entirerly different he is Christ Jesus our Lord no one else fits the bill.

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Offline francis drake

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #97 on: February 26, 2018, 09:14:56 PM »
Maybe not the creation account  is an overall view the history of Israel is the detail.
That's hilarious Dave. Its plain absurdity to claim something that happens thousands of years later, is the detail of what went before.
1) If that factual detail had already happened during creation, then it would be recorded and proven.
2) If that factual detail isn't pre-recorded in scripture, to claim that Israel has now become that detail is plain cuckoo land silliness.
If that's the sort of stuff that runs through your mind, then you need help Dave.
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One thing on its own prove nothing as you say but all things put together becomes a weight of evidence hard to be ignored
But there is no weight of evidence that shows Israel is Adam.
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You have proved nothing of the sort its when Adam and Eve are united in one that they are in Gods image
Genesis plainly states that Adam and Eve as individuals were made in the image of God. That means all that descend from these two are made in the image of God.
That's a plain text statement Dave, stop twisting it. It does not state that they are made in the image of God only when they are united as one.
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I take it you are refering to sex or marraige in which case anyone who remains single and a virgin can not be in Gods image.
You are conflating two verses Dave. Becoming one flesh is not connected to being made in God's image.
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You are right they dont prove Israel is Adam they were never meant to but what they do show in that man in the image of God is not two prehistoric indeviduals Yes God created man but man in Gods image is something entirerly different he is Christ Jesus our Lord no one else fits the bill.
Man in God's image started with two individuals, from which all the rest of mankind descended, each and every one being made in God's image.
James3v9. Sometimes it praises our Lord and Father, and sometimes it curses those who have been made in the image of God.
In James's mind, all men are made in God's image or likeness.

Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #98 on: March 01, 2018, 02:15:23 PM »
Hi Frances
I feel we are going round in circles no matter what I say you say the Opposite and do the same I think I have said what I wanted to say and why I believe what I do I could say more but there is little point so I think I will leave it there for now but may return at a later date.
If anyone else would like to comment on this subject please do and I will do my best to answer.

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Dave