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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #56 on: February 09, 2018, 11:38:29 AM »
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Why has the thread been locked what ever happened to free speech surely we should be able to discuss these things like grown ups.
Its not a question of who's right or wrong its a question of having a free debate about thing pertaining to Gods word.
The last time I looked there where over 40.000 Christian denomination's should I condemned 39.000 as heretics because they don't believe the same as me.
We should be striving toward unity not division what ever happens to LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR has it been removed from scripture.

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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2018, 02:22:02 PM »
Hi
Thank you G for unlocking the thread not sure were it will go from here but we shall see.

Deu 25:4  Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.
   


I know I can be a little bull headed but then aren't we all, we all think we are right and that's ok what's not right is when we say someone else is wrong then we are judging them and we know that's not right we have a righteous judge who will judge us and I believe he will judge what is in the heart not what's in the mind.

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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2018, 02:34:21 PM »
Dave,
         "Everything was to be destroyed but Noah found favour in Gods eyes and we all know the story of Noah under the height of the flood the earth was retuned to its original state and God began again a new creation.
Everything God wanted to keep was on the ark the only thing he needed to do was to create mankind in his image as in the fist creation in would take six days of a thousand years in length"

The flood may have been started by a supernatural event, but once started it was a natural flood of water that destroyed the pre flood world and totally rearranged the surface of the world.

No where in scripture is there the slightest hint that God returned the world to an earlier condition.

May I suggest that you read what Christian geologists have written about the flood and how destructive it was both answersingenesis and creation.com have Christian scientist who have and are doing reserch into the world changing event the flood was.

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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #60 on: February 10, 2018, 05:14:21 PM »
Dave,
         "Everything was to be destroyed but Noah found favour in Gods eyes and we all know the story of Noah under the height of the flood the earth was retuned to its original state and God began again a new creation.
Everything God wanted to keep was on the ark the only thing he needed to do was to create mankind in his image as in the fist creation in would take six days of a thousand years in length"

The flood may have been started by a supernatural event, but once started it was a natural flood of water that destroyed the pre flood world and totally rearranged the surface of the world.

No where in scripture is there the slightest hint that God returned the world to an earlier condition.

May I suggest that you read what Christian geologists have written about the flood and how destructive it was both answersingenesis and creation.com have Christian scientist who have and are doing reserch into the world changing event the flood was.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply  you said

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No where in scripture is there the slightest hint that God returned the world to an earlier condition.
   

Of course you are right it is not stated in scripture I think I put it badly I was not saying God turned the clock back but that the world looked the same as

Gen 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
   


Of course this is only how I imagen the world would look like during the flood the only things left alive were on the ark which of course were everything God had created before the flood that God wished to keep.

Then we come back to the question was Noah Adam man in the image of God seams unlikely so I think the crowning glory of creation was missing man in Gods image.

Gen 1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
   
 

I believe this will be realised in Christ when he returns as our King then man ( mankind ) will have dominion over the earth and what will make this work is LOVE.

God can not make us love him we have to do it our selves it is our free will choice.

Love and Peace
Dave

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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2018, 06:09:48 PM »
Dave,
       Durring the flood the earth was not formless or void. It had shape and substance. There is no mention of it being dark, other than the darkness of night.

In short there isn't a parral between creation and the flood.

"question was Noah Adam man in the image of God" I'm not sure what you mean?
Are you asking was Noah a reprresentative of Adam? There is no hint in the bible that anyone ever thought that.

I think you should rethink your ideas about creation and the flood. The bible records Gods verdict on creation, which included Adam, as being very good. Yet you are impling that it was not very good.

Look at what answersingenseis and creation.com have to say about Adam. Noah etc.

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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #62 on: February 11, 2018, 11:23:48 AM »
Dave,
       Durring the flood the earth was not formless or void. It had shape and substance. There is no mention of it being dark, other than the darkness of night.

In short there isn't a parral between creation and the flood.

"question was Noah Adam man in the image of God" I'm not sure what you mean?
Are you asking was Noah a reprresentative of Adam? There is no hint in the bible that anyone ever thought that.

I think you should rethink your ideas about creation and the flood. The bible records Gods verdict on creation, which included Adam, as being very good. Yet you are impling that it was not very good.

Look at what answersingenseis and creation.com have to say about Adam. Noah etc.

Hi John
Thank you for your reply some interesting points you said.

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.  Durring the flood the earth was not formless or void. It had shape and substance. There is no mention of it being dark, other than the darkness of night     

The way I see it the earth was covered in water on land visible would seam to indicate formlessness I would also think the deluge of rain spoken of here would require very thick black clouds which could well block out the light of the sun of course this is only conjecture on my part its not stated in scripture.

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"question was Noah Adam man in the image of God" I'm not sure what you mean?
Are you asking was Noah a reprresentative of Adam? There is no hint in the bible that anyone ever thought that     

I did say I did not think Noah was Adam we all know Adam died before the flood.

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I think you should rethink your ideas about creation and the flood. The bible records Gods verdict on creation, which included Adam, as being very good. Yet you are impling that it was not very good 

The only time this world we live in could be said to be very good would be at the end of Christ's millennial reign.

We know that Christ is the image of God at his second coming so Christ is the end of The creation process mankind in the image of God.

The object of this thread was to try to identify the one who was the pattern of the one who was to come which is Christ the only one in scripture as far as I can see is Israel as the scriptures I have posted in previous posts will support.

As for the scriptures I have posted there has not bean many alternative explanations I wonder why that is.

Love and Peace
Dave


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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #63 on: February 11, 2018, 10:44:31 PM »
Dave,
               "The only time this world we live in could be said to be very good would be at the end of Christ's millennial reign"
Read genesis chapter One and you will see that after each 24 hour day of creation the words, 'and God saw that it was good' appear.
God declared his creation was good. Following Adams rebellion the creation was cursed and as Paul writes in Romans groans waiting the recreation that will happen when Jesus comes again.

"The object of this thread was to try to identify the one who was the pattern of the one who was to come which is Christ the only one in scripture as far as I can see is Israel as the scriptures I have posted in previous posts will support."

I have no idea what you mean by this.

The only authority for seeing examples of types in the bible is the one Paul gives in Romans of Adam the first man and Jesus the second Adam.