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Offline francis drake

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2018, 06:17:06 PM »
But if as you say Christ came as God at his first advent how could he be tempted because we are told
Go back and read my post Dave, in no place did I say that Christ came as God in his first advent, because I don't believe that and its not what scripture tells us.
I was simply proving the falsehood of your posted which said "I don't believe he (Christ) was the express image at his first advent".
I proved that by posting 2 very clear scriptures, so you are not arguing with me, but what those 2 scriptures say.

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Jas 1:13  Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
     
 

So Christ could not be tempted in the wilderness if he was fully God it was only as man he could be tempted as we are tempted.
Jesus was fully man and also God, but he laid that aside to walk as a man solely empowered by the Holy Spirit. That's what your scriptures tell you if you would only get rid of the foolish obsession that's blinded your eyes to truth.
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Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
     


I think this scripture will answer your accusation.
No Dave, it answers nothing at all. I shall post the same 2 scriptures again as you obviously didn't read them.
As you can see it states that Jesus Christ is the express image of God

Hebrews1v1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the express image of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

And this-

Jn14v8Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." 9Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip" He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, "Show us the Father""

10"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me" The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. 11"Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves."
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Online davetaff

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2018, 02:42:33 PM »
Hi Frances
You said
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Go back and read my post Dave, in no place did I say that Christ came as God in his first advent, because I don't believe that and its not what scripture tells us.
I was simply proving the falsehood of your posted which said "I don't believe he (Christ) was the express image at his first advent".
I proved that by posting 2 very clear scriptures, so you are not arguing with me, but what those 2 scriptures say   

I think maybe you are misunderstanding what I said
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I don't believe he (Christ) was the express image at his first advent".
   
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  that at his first advent he came in the image of man not in the image of God.

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Jesus was fully man and also God, but he laid that aside to walk as a man solely empowered by the Holy Spirit. That's what your scriptures tell you if you would only get rid of the foolish obsession that's blinded your eyes to truth.   

I can agree with this what I have been saying from the beginning

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Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9  Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10  That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11  And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
     

I think this scripture will answer your accusation.

No Dave, it answers nothing at all. I shall post the same 2 scriptures again as you obviously didn't read them.
As you can see it states that Jesus Christ is the express image of God
   

What it proves is Christ divested himself of his divinity to become a man as for the other two scriptures you have posted I have read them many time and they are wonderful and Christ fulfils them all.

As for the express image of His nature, I have used this scripture many times myself and Christ is the only one in scripture who this is said about he is man in Gods image that God spoke about in Genesis when he said let us make man in our image I prefer mankind instead of man.

Love and Peace
Dave




 


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Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2018, 02:54:26 PM »
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he is man in Gods image that God spoke about in Genesis when he said let us make man in our image I prefer mankind instead of man.

This is Jesus? really? 

Online davetaff

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2018, 06:51:49 PM »
This is Jesus? really?

Hi Serenity
Yes that's right we are told that in the scripture that has bean posted Jesus is the express image of his person this is said about no other person in scripture.
Christ is the last Adam when he and his Eve the church are united and become one then the creation of mankind will be finished.

.Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth   

How could only two people have dominion over all the earth but if it means mankind then it makes more sense.
This will happen under the leadership of our king of kings Jesus Christ this is what his millennial reign is for its also the Father's rest day.

Love and Peace
Dave

Offline francis drake

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2018, 10:30:04 PM »
I think maybe you are misunderstanding what I said
You are still twisting scripture Dave to make it suit your theological delusions.

The scriptures I posted refer entirely to Jesus at his first advent. Thus, despite letting go of his Godly status, Jesus remained entirely in the image of God, because that's exactly what he said to Philip isn't it!

Jn14v8Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." 9Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip" He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, "Show us the Father""
10"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me" The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. 11"Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves."

Everything in the above verse testifies that Jesus, despite being fully man, was also entirely in the image of God to those who sought after God.

The following verse in Hebrews again proves the same.
Hebrews1v1God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways, 2in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. 3And He is the radiance of His glory and the express image of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4having become as much better than the angels, as He has inherited a more excellent name than they.

You really need to stop this nonsense Dave.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

Offline Cariad

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2018, 01:57:17 AM »
@davetaff

Hello Dave,

I don't want to be unkind, but your attempt to show that Israel is Adam is simply silly, for the facts of Scripture as to who Adam is, is a matter of written record. 

Romans 5:14-19 can be referring only to one man, and that man is the one through whom sin entered into the world and death by sin, and that is clearly shown to be Adam.- the first man (1 Cor.15:45,47).

I pray that you will be given the grace to lay aside your own understanding and believe what is written.

In Jesus Name.
Chris




Online davetaff

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #54 on: February 08, 2018, 02:45:08 PM »
@davetaff

Hello Dave,

I don't want to be unkind, but your attempt to show that Israel is Adam is simply silly, for the facts of Scripture as to who Adam is, is a matter of written record. 

Romans 5:14-19 can be referring only to one man, and that man is the one through whom sin entered into the world and death by sin, and that is clearly shown to be Adam.- the first man (1 Cor.15:45,47).

I pray that you will be given the grace to lay aside your own understanding and believe what is written.

In Jesus Name.
Chris

Hi Chris
I thank you for your concern but I'm fine and I do believe what is written and yes there was a first Adam before the flood and he lived 930 years and he died then this happened.

Gen 6:2  That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
   

cross breading between angles and humans so God said.

Gen 6:5  And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6  And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7  And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
   


Everything was to be destroyed but Noah found favour in Gods eyes and we all know the story of Noah under the height of the flood the earth was retuned to its original state and God began again a new creation.
Everything God wanted to keep was on the ark the only thing he needed to do was to create mankind in his image as in the fist creation in would take six days of a thousand years in length.
The rest is history the history of Israel.

Rom 5:13  (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
   
 

Only Israel could sin and face the consequences only Israel had the law and Israel was the man in the Image of God and the law was such that if one sinned  then all Israel sinned.

Love and Peace
Dave   

Offline Cariad

Re: Israel is Adam
« Reply #55 on: February 08, 2018, 04:04:43 PM »
You have managed to turn fact into fiction, Dave.

This is no way to treat God's Word.

I will not give you further opportunity to do so by responding again.