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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2018, 04:01:50 PM »
Hello @curiosity,

You have had some very varied and interesting responses. I hope your curiosity has been satisfied a little by them. 

@ Serenity made a good point about the spirit being unshackled by time or place.  It made me think of the Apostle John, who was, 'in the Spirit' (Rev.1:10) on, 'The Lord's Day', (ie., 'The Day of The Lord'), which is yet future: and saw, in vision form, the events that are to take place in that day, the duration of which is known only to God Himself.

Ezekiel also had a similar experience.

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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2018, 04:21:51 PM »
Eph5v15Pay careful attention, then, to how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, 16redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

God dwells outside of time, that's how he can equally see the end from the beginning.
God created time when he created the world.

We are told to redeem the time because "the days (time) is evil".

Therefore we could conclude that when Adam sinned, time also fell along with the rest of creation.
If time didn't also fall, it would not need redeeming, and like this planet, it can only be redeemed by the blood of Christ.
@francis drake

Hi F.D.,

The days were described as, 'evil', not time itself. The reference to redeeming time, I have always though meant to make the use of every moment, redeeming, or making up for any time lost, for there was no time spare.  The days were evil, and the enemy whose 'day' it is, is very active.

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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2018, 06:42:34 PM »
@francis drake
The days were described as, 'evil', not time itself. The reference to redeeming time, I have always though meant to make the use of every moment, redeeming, or making up for any time lost, for there was no time spare.  The days were evil, and the enemy whose 'day' it is, is very active.
I am only extrapolating a few thoughts Chris. Whether you believe it is up to you.
I imagine you agree that time was a creation of God, who dwells outside of time. I presume he created it for man, and maybe the angels.

For a long time I have believed that "redeeming the time" was necessary because like everything else, time had fallen with Adam's sin.
It was only today that I saw it also said that "the days are evil," tending to confirm my thoughts.

I agree it uses "day" and not "time", but a day is merely a unit of time. If the days are evil, then so are the hours, weeks and years, all units of time.

By evil, it cannot mean that the days have sinned, but just fallen as did the rest of God's creation.

In the biblical context, redemption is usually made by the purchase of blood.
Disturb us Lord, when we are too pleased with ourselves. When our dreams have come true because we dreamed too little. When we arrived safely because we sailed too close to the shore. Disturb us Lord, to dare more boldly. To venture on wider seas. Where storms will show your mastery; Where, losing sight of land, we shall find the stars. We ask you to push back the horizons of our hopes; And to push into the future, in strength, courage, hope and love.                     (SIR FRANCIS DRAKE 1577)

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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2018, 07:21:01 PM »
I am only extrapolating a few thoughts Chris. Whether you believe it is up to you.
I imagine you agree that time was a creation of God, who dwells outside of time. I presume he created it for man, and maybe the angels.

For a long time I have believed that "redeeming the time" was necessary because like everything else, time had fallen with Adam's sin.
It was only today that I saw it also said that "the days are evil," tending to confirm my thoughts.

I agree it uses "day" and not "time", but a day is merely a unit of time. If the days are evil, then so are the hours, weeks and years, all units of time.

By evil, it cannot mean that the days have sinned, but just fallen as did the rest of God's creation.

In the biblical context, redemption is usually made by the purchase of blood.
@francis drake,

'See then that ye walk circumspectly,
not as fools, but as wise,
Redeeming the time,
because the days are evil.'

(Eph 5:15-16) 

Hi F.d.,

I find what you say interesting, and I do thank you for the thought process that it has engendered.

This verse is in the practical section of Ephesians, where the doctrine of the former section is worked out practically.   Looking at the words, 'redeeming the time', more closely; the Greek word that it is translated from is 'Exagorazo', meaning, 'to buy out of the market' with the meaning of our English 'forestall' implied.  Forestall means to buy a thing before it is placed upon the stall in the market and so exhibit a keen business sense.  As stewards and as redeemed ones, this keen business sense should be ours in the exercise of our calling and stewardship.  'Time' here is not 'chronos' meaning mere, 'duration', but' kairos', 'a fitting time', hence an opportunity. 

Unfortunately we more often than not recognise opportunity by its back. Think of the opportunities for service, for study, for communion, for helping, that have been allowed to slip this day, or this week.  Have we always been prepared to speak that word in season? to give that helping hand?  The past is beyond us, and we can but seek the forgiveness that is ours in Christ.  The present is here, let us then, 'forestall the opportunity, because the days are evil'.

* It is a wake-up call! ((Eph 5:14) 

'Wherefore He saith,
"Awake thou that sleepest,
and arise from the dead,

and Christ shall give thee light."'


Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2018, 07:32:11 PM »
Many thanks for the contributions.
Following this to add.

It fills me with absolute horror over demonic time travelling, which may be the Philadelphia experience in ww1 in attempt to make the ship invisible to the enemy. That it was said to work but with a green eerie light around it but the ship reappeared   over 300km away. That two men jumped off and said they were transported into 1983. I am skeptical of this.
More open to it in considering the sound and vision reaching us from all around the world in a few seconds today, due to the speed of light, in which actual travelling in person  would take much longer. Could this work with more than sound and vision. Possibly but highly dangerous and nobody should even attempt this at all.

When its not misused and with God, its interesting and wonderful to think of those who time travelled  such as Moses, Ezekiel, Daniel, Elijah, the man caught up in paradise, John in Patmos, Phillip Acts 8:38-40
Also Enoch and part of Jeremiah not in the bible of someone transported 62 years into the future. Please google to look up. There are probably more.

Of course since God is outside of time the spiritual dimension must be. John saw this vision in Revelation 6:9-10 about the martyrs saying how long it is for God to avenge. Its puzzling if they are not in time. Could it be poetic and part of revelations language?

In the stars being thousands of years away. Is that the memory of them all those years back, shown in space, or the actuality of them at the moment of when we look up in space and see them?
Its a reminder that God will bring everything in history to light.

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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2018, 08:21:05 PM »
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@curiosity:

... Of course since God is outside of time the spiritual dimension must be. John saw this vision in Revelation 6:9-10 about the martyrs saying how long it is for God to avenge. Its puzzling if they are not in time. Could it be poetic and part of revelations language?

Hi there,

You do have some unusual thoughts, and I thank you for expressing them, because it has given food for thought, and opportunity to express it.

And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain
for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
And they cried with a loud voice, saying,
"How long, O Lord, holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood
on them that dwell on the earth?"
And white robes were given unto every one of them;
and it was said unto them,
that they should rest yet for a little season,
until their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.'

(Rev 6:9-11) 

* Here the word 'souls' is put for 'persons'. John saw those that had been slain.  These were martyred saints personified and represented as waiting. They themselves were dead; for in Revelation 11:4, John sees them again, and it says, 'they lived again' in the first resurrection (the one that came before the millennial reign of Christ): 'the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished' (Rev. 20:5).  Why say, 'lived not again', if, all the time, they were alive in some other place. 

* What John saw was a vision, with the purpose of instructing him. John sees the martyred saints at the foot of the altar of burnt offerings.  He sees human beings.  Like sacrifices, they had been slain for their testimony.  Not sacrifices of atonement, but of devotion. These were called 'drink-offerings'; their lives had been poured out as drink offerings, they had paid the ultimate sacrifice for their faithfulness.  (Phil 2:17 & 2 Tim. 4:6).  They will reign with Christ (Rev. 20:4; 6:9) when they live again.

'And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded
for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,

and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years'.

(Rev 20:4)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris



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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2018, 03:45:07 AM »
 
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  Its a reminder that God will bring everything in history to light. ...
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Yes God is the great time traveller -man is catching up with time as we continue to live in the past as time continues to bring us into new days and new events - that we have no control over.

All things brought to light - ahhhh how does God see our doings....  As all our deeds are as  filthly rags- how can anyone be saved !

There must be a covering here - because  cannot do it on my own.....

If you think you can then you are above the devil....





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Re: Is time travelling possible?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 05:07:01 AM »
Tes Of course no one can do it on their own but I didn't say that. Every person needs the blood of Jesus for redemption. It is biblical that God will bring everything to light. That doesn't mean its all negative for goodness sake.